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re: Our local PD set up a decoy sting operation. I'd like your opinions

Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:34 pm to
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:34 pm to
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It's grant-funded textbook entrapment.


I don’t like it either, and I wish that resources were better used.

However, entrapment only works as a defense if it overcomes a person’s natural resistance to commit the crime.

If the decoys were badgering folks for a long time or offered some ridiculous incentive like 1,000 bucks that might be enough to use entrapment.

But just walking up and “hey mistering” is probably not going to lead to a successful entrapment defense.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:37 pm to
I have no problems with stings like prostitution where a sexy female cop dresses provocatively and stands around waiting on solicitations to come in.

I DO have a problem with cops, or their agents (like these kids), actively seeking out and requesting a crime be committed. If someone volunteers to commit crime of their own accord, so be it. To engage others and solicit crime from others should be criminal in itself (it is a crime to influence after all).

In fact, if I were a juror on such a case I would find the defendants all not guilty without hesitation.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:27 pm to
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This discussion is the positive. it alerts those that may commit this crime to not commit the crime. It is not about catching, it about stoppin
Except there is almost certainly not one ounce of deterrent effect created by these stings.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:29 pm to
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You sound like a raging liberal in this thread.
Not really. A core tenet of small c conservatives is that govt, by its very nature, cannot be trusted. That's the whole point of being a small c conservative. We view govt as basically, a necessary evil that should be kept pretty tightly in the rails lest it give in to it's natural tendencies.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:30 pm to
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Not to mention they could just announced that they're conducting these stings without ever actually doing it and have the same deterring effect without wasting resources.
Reminds me of when radar detectors were common and actually effective and they had this cop come out and say he loved them because he could basically sit on a bridge and slow all the traffic down.

Of course, that was a cop who knew the point of speed laws shouldn't be fricking revenue.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:32 pm to
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Are there actual bait cars in the area?


And a bait car still requires a proactive act by a car thief. Basically, he has to be a thief looking to steal a car.

The people walking in to the liquor store weren't there looking for opportunities to by beer for underage folks. They were just there to be alcohol.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:32 pm to
I was talking to Mulat and his think of the children at least it starts a discussion type comments.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16983 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:33 pm to
You mean they can entrap a guy for buying a 19 year old a six pack but can’t call ICE on an illegal alien that they arrest for some other reason.

Jeez Louise California. Enjoy your eutopian sanctuary. I’ll stick with my banana republic goin on in Louisiana and enjoy my go-cup
as I exit the bar.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:35 pm to
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But just walking up and “hey mistering” is probably not going to lead to a successful entrapment defense.
You're likely correct although I can see in some neighborhoods the adult wondering if this "request" was actually a request. IE...….if I say now, what might happen to me?
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:36 pm to
Sounds like an intelligence test. Are you smart enough to refrain from buying beer for a kid who is a stranger or are you a complete tard.?
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
101925 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:39 pm to
Don't like it.


It's a "crime" created by the police. Obviously the simple solution is, don't buy alchohol for kids. But the way I see it is that the people weren't out to buy beer for kids. It's a crime that wouldn't have happened if not for the cops manufacturing the morality test.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80117 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:43 pm to
I rank reporting illegals to ICE higher than this shite.
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