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re: Once again the powers try to change the rules in midsteam. More SG politics,
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:51 pm to doubleb
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:51 pm to doubleb
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Once SG leaders decided the prudent move was to include all of the SGFD and the East Side FD in the new city the powers that be at city hall became alarmed. They counted on revenues from all these entities; yet they didn't have to supply them with police or fire services. It was a winning situation for them and why they aren't going to let SG succeed. SG isn't stealing the mall, it is merely including the mall and surrounding properties since they are all in SG.
Are we not talking about this historical uses of the parish budget here? "St. George" did not even exist (still doesn't) as anything until recently. The SG leaders can't say that for all these years their personal tax dollars have been funneled away from them and include the mall in that.
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:52 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The people living in the southeast area that started this drive for an ISD are claiming the budget is unfair because their money goes towards the city. 'Their money' does not include the mall and shouldn't be included in their figures.
I'll say again...I don't see the point you are trying to make.
Perhaps it is persuasive to others, but to me it's meaningless.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:53 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The SG leaders can't say that for all these years their personal tax dollars have been funneled away from them and include the mall in that.
Why not? I can see you are trying to make a point. Please explain.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:54 pm to moneyg
Because you are looking at it as if the entire unincorporated area has always been St. George and they've all been up in arms for years as to the budget. That's just not the case.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:56 pm to moneyg
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Why not? I can see you are trying to make a point. Please explain.
Because these families with children in failing schools aren't the mall. If their argument is their personal tax dollars, how can you say that's the mall? Mall taxes are not coming out of their personal pocket anymore than they are the pockets of people in the city limits.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:58 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Because you are looking at it as if the entire unincorporated area has always been St. George and they've all been up in arms for years as to the budget. That's just not the case.
ok. That's not a big deal to me at all.
I think what they are saying is that they will be better off by getting a return on the tax revenue that St. George (as defined today) produces rather than having that money support city services.
That point, right or wrong, stands on its own regardless of how the definition of the new St. George may have changed or how agreeable the elected politicians were to the budget, etc.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:01 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Because these families with children in failing schools aren't the mall. If their argument is their personal tax dollars, how can you say that's the mall? Mall taxes are not coming out of their personal pocket anymore than they are the pockets of people in the city limits.
Are you arguing with how sales tax is collected and where that money is allocated (parish vs. city)?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Good I'm glad you are in the admission stage of rehabilitation. Sadly, that's still only step 5 of the 12 step program for total rehabilitation.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:04 pm to moneyg
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Are you arguing with how sales tax is collected and where that money is allocated (parish vs. city)?
I think we are simply arguing semantics here on what is and what isn't St. George. I don't think the organizers of this movement have the right to claim the mall simply because it's not incorporated since that area was never a part of their drive for a new school district.
I understand their need for it, however I don't think it defacto 'belongs' to them simply because they need the revenue.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:05 pm to man in the stadium
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Good I'm glad you are in the admission stage of rehabilitation. Sadly, that's still only step 5 of the 12 step program for total rehabilitation.
The hell? You clearly know nothing about me or where I stand on anything so better run off lol
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:09 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I think we are simply arguing semantics here on what is and what isn't St. George. I don't think the organizers of this movement have the right to claim the mall simply because it's not incorporated since that area was never a part of their drive for a new school district.
I understand their need for it, however I don't think it defacto 'belongs' to them simply because they need the revenue.
ok. agree to disagree. I don't see the importance of conflating the original ISD boundaries that were drawn with only and ISD in mind with the incorporation boundaries.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:13 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Mickey right now there is no SG, we all know that.
If SG is created then well talk, until then you are going round and round in circles.
If SG is voted in and if the mall is inside SG certain taxes will no longer go to the parish but to the municipality of SG. That's how it works . But it won't if there is no SG.
If SG is created then well talk, until then you are going round and round in circles.
If SG is voted in and if the mall is inside SG certain taxes will no longer go to the parish but to the municipality of SG. That's how it works . But it won't if there is no SG.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:14 pm to moneyg
SG simply expanded their horizons based on interest from other neighborhood who wanted better schools too
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:17 pm to moneyg
Agree to disagree 
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:20 pm to doubleb
I understand how this all has played out. I understand the boundaries and where the taxes go.
I disagree that they expanded their boundaries for the purpose of including other neighborhoods who also wanted better schools. I believe their intent on expanding boundaries was solely for economic reasons. Not for the kids of the areas surrounding the mall and casino.
But again, agree to disagree I guess.
I disagree that they expanded their boundaries for the purpose of including other neighborhoods who also wanted better schools. I believe their intent on expanding boundaries was solely for economic reasons. Not for the kids of the areas surrounding the mall and casino.
But again, agree to disagree I guess.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 12:32 am to LSURussian
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This bill is ill conceived and poorly timed. It should be defeated.
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LSURussian
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:44 am to doubleb
SG opponents must know something. Why else are they going to such extremes to block the incorporation?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:27 am to theunknownknight
quote:In your case the shoe fits.....
anti-SG posters continually talk down to SG posters like they are idiots.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:31 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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SG opponents must know something. Why else are they going to such extremes to block the incorporation?
They know they'd be screwed
Posted on 4/25/14 at 3:30 pm to mpar98
I made this point yesterday. Just because the entire parish gets to vote does not defacto kill the movement.
https://theadvocate.com/home/8992237-125/advancing-incorporation-bill-could-upset
Move to now
It could very well fail if the entire parish votes, but it's not the automatic kill switch that some think it is.
https://theadvocate.com/home/8992237-125/advancing-incorporation-bill-could-upset
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A December poll by the LSU Public Policy Research Lab showed 50 percent of the registered voters parishwide opposed St. George becoming its own independent city.
Another 29 percent of East Baton Rouge Parish voters supported the movement and 21 percent were unsure.
In just the neighborhoods that would form St. George, the survey found 40 percent of the voters approved.
That poll was taken more than four months ago.
Move to now
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State Sen. Bodi White said he thinks HB1212 theoretically is the “silver bullet” that would bring down the St. George incorporation effort.
But White, R-Central, and the leading legislative ally for the St. George movement, also says more and more people around East Baton Rouge Parish are telling him they have changed their minds.
Much of the support is coming from voters who are angered at the name-calling and the repeated efforts to block the vote.
“All these actions, they’re over the top, and they have really angered a lot of people in north Baton Rouge, Zachary and Central, and in the City of Baton Rouge,” White said Thursday night.
It could very well fail if the entire parish votes, but it's not the automatic kill switch that some think it is.
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