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re: On the subject of 'U.S. citizens being detained'
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:17 am to Marshhen
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:17 am to Marshhen
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Probably worth it to carry a birth certificate if you don’t want the hassle.
I carry my passport card in my wallet, and my immigrant wife keeps hers in her purse/wallet, whatever. Just became a habit when we traveled a lot more per Covid.
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Are you saying massive demographic and cultural change is "a little temporary safety"?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:18 am to Rip Torn
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We know you love the process and paperwork
I love rights
In this example, the government is the entity using process and paperwork to deprive people of their rights
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:19 am to LSUTANGERINE
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background checks and paperwork were in order.
What paperwork? Private parties can transfer guns without paperwork, so your example is a horrible one.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 8:20 am
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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I love rights
Part of your rights is due process.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:19 am to IvoryBillMatt
No we can’t, what we can admit is that the Democrats, Rinos, Libertarians, and weak minded independents flooded the nation with immigrants then created a massive bureaucracy that tries to prevent any attempts to correct. You, SFP, Hank, VOR, and several others defend that bureaucracy daily. “I support immigration enforcement but not this”. It’s always the same weak argument every single time
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:20 am to stout
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I carry my passport card in my wallet, and my immigrant wife keeps hers in her purse/wallet, whatever
Only about 48% of Americans have a passport. I'd wager less than 1% of those who have one carry it every day. Even then, it's ridiculous government overreach to imply that someone should have to carry proof of citizenship everywhere they go or risk detainment.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:20 am to TigerSprings
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Are you saying massive demographic and cultural change is "a little temporary safety"?
Well he used the term " threat to my country" and I don't consider either of those a thread to the United States as a country.
Now do some citizens of that country have particular racial or cultural preferences? Sure, but that doesn't make it a " threat to their country", which is something else entirely.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:20 am to stout
There is the question of "lost" or stolen real IDs.
Its quite obvious that people will sell the original to someone who looks like them and then get a replacement.
Its always been a popular scam.
Real ID should probably change the number on a replacement.
Its quite obvious that people will sell the original to someone who looks like them and then get a replacement.
Its always been a popular scam.
Real ID should probably change the number on a replacement.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well he used the term " threat to my country" and I don't consider either of those a thread to the United States as a country.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:20 am to Jugbow
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Part of your rights is due process.
When the government acts illegally, the due process that follows doesn't excuse the initial illegality.
It just ensures that any further illegality will become more directly scrutinized.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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the government is the entity using process and paperwork to deprive people of their rights
I think police abuse reasonable suspicion, but can you at least admit in the two examples in my OP of Hispanics on job sites, you can see where the reasonable suspicion was more than justified/sufficient?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
You love the argument and paperwork, nothing more
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Ehh you’re a dumbass but you’re not dumb enough to hang out in high crime areas or those with active ice raids. You’re a drama queen behind a keyboard that has nothing to worry about anyways.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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In this example, the government is the entity using process and paperwork to deprive people of their rights
What rights are being denied?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:22 am to Ingeniero
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Even then, it's ridiculous government overreach to imply that someone should have to carry proof of citizenship everywhere they go or risk detainment.
Again, people walking down the street aren't being asked to show their papers. I gave two very real examples of why those people were detained. Try arguing those points instead of making up scenarios.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:23 am to Marshhen
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What rights are being denied?
If the government can detain you indefinitely because you don't have "immigration documents" as a citizen of this country, your 4th amendment rights are being violated
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:24 am to Ingeniero
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If the government can detain you indefinitely
Fair point but they were not detained indefinitely.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't know if some new legislation happened but I thought a TWIC was basically second only to a passport, effectively. I thought a TWIC could be used as a TSA Precheck, even
I used it yesterday worked fine
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:24 am to stout
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you can see where the reasonable suspicion was more than justified/sufficient?
I don't think racial profiling is going to work as a justification for reasonable suspicion.
When government engages in widespread aggressive policing with flimsy faming for the analytical portion of the policing, you're going to have a sharp increase in illegality by that government.
That's why these types of policing are widely criticized and sometimes ruled outright illegal. This is probably more of a scenario where the cost will be political, and the admin has to own every one of these violations or else they're making it worse. This is the cost of doing business, to use a metaphor. Trying to pretend you're doing perfectly when you're not just creates the aura of 1984-esque tyranny.
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