re: O'Keefe uncovers voter fraud....20 times in NC

Agreed. The only elections voter fraud really impact are local ones. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be anything done about it, but I think the current push for Voter ID goes overboard and ultimately they're designed to l, at best, discourage certain people from voting, and at worst disenfranchise certain voters. I'm okay with requiring photo ID to vote so long as the ID's are free to those who don't have any other form of ID and are simple to acquire.

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If I walk into a bank and demonstrate to the bankers a means to defraud them of money. I have not committed a punishable offense, and the bank has not lost anything

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If you honestly think you can walk into a bank and take every step needed to make a fraudulent withdrawal except actually taking the money in hand and turn around and say "Hey bank, look, I almost defrauded you and one of your depositors! You should thank me!" and NOT get arrested - you are the dumbest fricker ever to post anything anywhere in the UNiverse.

I posed a hypothetical. Instead of addressing the hypothetical you attack me as stupid for posing a ridiculous hypothetical. It just so happens that my hypothetical is not really a hypothetical. Banks actually do hire people to help them address security weaknesses. LINK

I guess I'm only the second dumbest fricker ever to post anything anywhere in the UNiverse since you are clearly more stupid.

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If you honestly think you can walk into a bank and take every step needed to make a fraudulent withdrawal

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All the time. The banks pay people to try.

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So stupid I wasn't able to read a part of your hypothetical that you didn't actually write, the part where you preface "If I walk into a bank" with "If a bank hires me to detect their security weaknesses, and..."

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In a thread dealing with voter fraud weaknesses identified!

Turns out Democrat's GOTV efforts may well focus on chronic non-voters as blank sheets awaiting Democrat surrogates, instead of asking the chronic non-voters to show up in person.

Ya'll dint seriously see the flaw in this logic???

OK, so here it is....this guy is going out and committing voter fraud and yall are making the leap that this means that voter fraud is occurring. This would be akin to me going out and robbing a bank to prove that bank robberies happen.

So, who is it that is going out and voting in North Carolina after years of not voting? I imagine yall are making the claim that one person is able to what, vote 20 ballots, without being caught. So how many people are doing this? There were about 4.5 million people who voted in North Carolina in 2012 for the president of the united states. There were 90000 more people who voted for Mitt Romney than Obama...so, in order for voter fraud to have made a difference there would have had to have been 4500 different people casting 20 illegal ballots each, all for one candidate, without any trace of it having occurred. there would have had to have been some sort of concerted effort for this to have happened...unless yall are suggesting that it is simply lone wolves doing it, at which point yall are fricked...there is no way to stop 4500 individuals from breaking the law if they individually decide to do so.

And now for the kicker....yall are under the impression that somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000 people could've voted illegally 20 times in the last presidential election in North Carolina and made a difference in the election in that state and this proof that voters should have to have id to cast a ballot. 4000+ people could commit a serious crime 20 times each without getting caught and ya'll dont think they could come up with a frickING FAKE ID that every freshman at Duke and UNC and NC State has in their possession??? How incredibly stupid do you have to be to buy this shite??? Do you sincerely think that the same people who would allow this criminal that y'all are holding forth as proof of a wide spread and incredibly complex conspiracy to commit voter fraud on a large scale couldn't be fooled by a fake ID that is available for $20???? Really????

And here is the kicker....yall have proof that this guy did this 20 times and therefore it means that it happens in real life...lets accept that. Yall have to be convinced that only Democrats are doing it....and if so once again you are willing to admit that the democrats have outwitted the GOP...to the tune of what, 90,000 criminal acts going un-noticed...and the only proof the GOP can conjure up are stories like these??? And yall want those morons in control of the security of the entire free world?? What in the frick is wrong with you people????

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O'Keefe

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Complete tool... Wasn't he trying to bug Senator Landreniu's office?

Anyway, unless he catches others doing it then there is no crime. Now, NC should close this loophole to avoid someone from getting ideas. Just fix the the problem.

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Who has made this claim???

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Eric Holder for one.

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My colleagues and I are acting aggressively to ensure that every American… can exercise his or her right to participate in the democratic process, unencumbered by unnecessary restrictions that discourage and discriminate or that disenfranchise in the name of a problem that doesn’t exist,”

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Eric Holder for one.

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My colleagues and I are acting aggressively to ensure that every American… can exercise his or her right to participate in the democratic process, unencumbered by unnecessary restrictions that discourage and discriminate or that disenfranchise in the name of a problem that doesn’t exist,”

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Saying that something doesn't happen and that something is "a problem that doesn't exist" is not the same thing. I can categorically say that unicorns do not cause auto accidents. This not the same thing as my saying that the number of accidents caused by unicorns is not significant.

Eric Holder is right, it is a problem that does not exist....because it happens in such small doses that it does not tweak the system. This is in no way suggesting that it doesn't happen. I dont think anyone can name a pundit who has tried to make this claim without taking their words or meaning out of context.