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re: Oil price chart: Dec 18 to today..
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:18 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:18 pm to LNCHBOX
OK, percentage wise, that is huge. I will give you that absolutely. Just what we have to import is still way higher than what we export.
Oh please. On this board, it's almost always oil related and I never place blame on a President. I am actually trying to explain why it isn't on a President for International oil prices. I am just trying to present facts to people to try to educate them for spreading inaccuracies.
Oh please. On this board, it's almost always oil related and I never place blame on a President. I am actually trying to explain why it isn't on a President for International oil prices. I am just trying to present facts to people to try to educate them for spreading inaccuracies.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:20 pm to COAUTiger
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Just what we have to import is still way higher than what we export.
No it isn't, it's 3%. Additionally, for the last 3 months of 2019, we were a net exporter.
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Oh please. On this board, it's almost always oil related and I never place blame on a President. I am actually trying to explain why it isn't on a President for International oil prices. I am just trying to present facts to people to try to educate them for spreading inaccuracies.
Again, your half truths make your intentions obvious to anyone willing to pay attention.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:37 pm to LNCHBOX
I just re-read your statement (and found the info you quoted online) and now realize you didn't realize the difference between oil and petroleum.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:41 pm to COAUTiger
If you want to go with this insult, you admit you yourself are just as guilty. Take it up with the EIA if you don't like my info.
ETA: And it's also you again using a half truth to tell renarrative you want. You want to focus on only crude only in an attempt to downplay the trends we saw over the last several years.
ETA: And it's also you again using a half truth to tell renarrative you want. You want to focus on only crude only in an attempt to downplay the trends we saw over the last several years.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:43 pm to LNCHBOX
Not insulting at all. Just letting you know you introduced petroleum info into an oil discussion. While related, they are different in the grand scheme of things. And you are absolutely correct about petroleum. We are MUCH better off now.
There, I edited my statement so it reads less insultingly.
There, I edited my statement so it reads less insultingly.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 1:18 pm to LSUAlum2001
Saudi Arabia is expected to increase production and put a ceiling on prices for the short term. This will be the last winter storm and Wells can be serviced easier snd put back on production meaning more supply is on its way.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 2:28 pm to LNCHBOX
No one ever claimed we were a net exporter of oil, it was a net exporter of ENERGY.
We are now self sufficient in Natural gas and as of Nov 2020 we were exporting over 500 million cubic feet of gas, do the barrel of oil equivalents, when you combine with oil...YES we are net exporters of energy.
And yes presidents can impact pricing on oil/gas. We frack oil and gas, with all the regulations coming down, there will be less fracking, therefore less oil and gas on the world market, and given the fact we are the largest energy producer in the world, our reduction in production will cause oil and gas prices to rise.
You will note I said we are the largest energy producer. Saudi may produce more oil some months than we do, but natural gas, the largest producer (up to about 4 years ago), was Russia, then we passed them like a red headed stepchild.
We are now self sufficient in Natural gas and as of Nov 2020 we were exporting over 500 million cubic feet of gas, do the barrel of oil equivalents, when you combine with oil...YES we are net exporters of energy.
And yes presidents can impact pricing on oil/gas. We frack oil and gas, with all the regulations coming down, there will be less fracking, therefore less oil and gas on the world market, and given the fact we are the largest energy producer in the world, our reduction in production will cause oil and gas prices to rise.
You will note I said we are the largest energy producer. Saudi may produce more oil some months than we do, but natural gas, the largest producer (up to about 4 years ago), was Russia, then we passed them like a red headed stepchild.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 2:49 pm to trinidadtiger
And yes presidents can impact pricing on oil/gas. We frack oil and gas, with all the regulations coming down, there will be less fracking, therefore less oil and gas on the world market, and given the fact we are the largest energy producer in the world, our reduction in production will cause oil and gas prices to rise.
Mostly correct Trinadad. The President has an impact on the cost for US oil to pump. And when US oil starts flowing, it definitely increases the supply. But US oil production costs more in general and needs a certain price level to use other oil supplies like fracking which costs more to pump. OPEC+ takes this into consideration when they are setting quotas and trying to fix the price. They have a very good idea how much oil the US will produce based on the price. We caught them by surprise a few years ago when we managed to produce a lot more than they had anticipated, but they account for that now. While oil is the life blood of our economy, it's everything to those countries. They know what they are doing. When the US was really pumping, OPEC+ decided to increase quotas to really reduce the price of oil and make it less economical for the US to produce. This caused massive layoffs a few years ago and the US oil industry has had a hard time recovering.
Mostly correct Trinadad. The President has an impact on the cost for US oil to pump. And when US oil starts flowing, it definitely increases the supply. But US oil production costs more in general and needs a certain price level to use other oil supplies like fracking which costs more to pump. OPEC+ takes this into consideration when they are setting quotas and trying to fix the price. They have a very good idea how much oil the US will produce based on the price. We caught them by surprise a few years ago when we managed to produce a lot more than they had anticipated, but they account for that now. While oil is the life blood of our economy, it's everything to those countries. They know what they are doing. When the US was really pumping, OPEC+ decided to increase quotas to really reduce the price of oil and make it less economical for the US to produce. This caused massive layoffs a few years ago and the US oil industry has had a hard time recovering.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:23 pm to COAUTiger
I’ll leave it to others to argue correlation and causation but Obama as president gasoline prices rise to $4 gallon. Trump is president and gas goes below $2 gallon. Biden is president for only a month and gas goes over $3 gallon.
Those are indisputable facts. I do not disagree that other factors control a large extent but factors not related to actual price apply.
I said this earlier... opec raises price and the very next day gas prices go up at the pump yet the gas being sold was purchased at a different lower price... hmmm
Common sense is missing in a lot of posts
Those are indisputable facts. I do not disagree that other factors control a large extent but factors not related to actual price apply.
I said this earlier... opec raises price and the very next day gas prices go up at the pump yet the gas being sold was purchased at a different lower price... hmmm
Common sense is missing in a lot of posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:30 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:It's likely much more due to demand returning more in earnest. Money printing helps too.
I couldn’t get a snapshot of one from right before the election, but on 11/2, the price of oil was at $37 per barrel and it has risen $24 per barrel since. Normally, oil and gas prices are lowest in the winter months. The speculation after the election has come to fruition with Biden’s EOs to date.
My pre-election expectation (if Biden had won) was that oil would rise to $75 by the Summer of 2022 due to the administration’s polices toward Oil & Gas (or fossil fuels in general).
shite.. We may hit that this Summer and stay over that number for the next 4 years.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:32 pm to COAUTiger
Agree with your overall assessment. But given the current state of things in the world, Where is this demand coming from? Or is this a fuction of depressed supply coupled with a modest increase of demand?
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:32 pm to BugAC
quote:And prior to covid, prices were about here. So what exactly was Trump doing wrong?
Actually, the 2 office holders, Trump and Biden, have complete opposite ideals in terms of energy. As you noted, under Trump, imports decreased, domestic LNG and oil production increased. So far, what direction is Biden steering domestic oil production and imports of foreign energy?
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:33 pm to GhostOfFreedom
quote:Thanks, Trump. Wait, unless you are saying supply and demand matter?
Well, at least lumber prices will come back down as construction screeches to a halt under Obiden.
2x4 and plywood have gone through the roof over the last 4 years.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:35 pm to dafif
Gas was actually lower in Obama's last two years than most of Trump's. Not crediting or blaming any President. They are not nearly as influential / responsible for the price of oil or gas as many people think.
Gas prices shadow oil prices. You will some variances but they are usually due to some short disruption in supply or prediction for higher costs (collect money now to pay for unexpected increases coming soon).
LINK
According to US Energy Information Administration average cost per gallon in the US
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2008 - Bush - $3.299
2009 - Obama - $2.406
2010 - $2.835
2011 - $3.576
2012 - $3.68
2013 - $3.575
2014 - $3.437
2015 - $2.52
2016 - $2.25
2017 - Trump - $2.528
2018 - $2.813
2019 - $2.691
2020 - $2.258
Gas prices shadow oil prices. You will some variances but they are usually due to some short disruption in supply or prediction for higher costs (collect money now to pay for unexpected increases coming soon).
LINK
According to US Energy Information Administration average cost per gallon in the US
LINK
2008 - Bush - $3.299
2009 - Obama - $2.406
2010 - $2.835
2011 - $3.576
2012 - $3.68
2013 - $3.575
2014 - $3.437
2015 - $2.52
2016 - $2.25
2017 - Trump - $2.528
2018 - $2.813
2019 - $2.691
2020 - $2.258
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:40 pm to KiwiHead
China and SE Asia are close to normal now and US is using more than most of 2020 (but not nearly at the levels of 2019). To be honest, I don't know. It could be a case where we are returning the price OPEC+ wanted before their spat in March 2020 that lead to a HUGE glut of oil on the market.
Let me see if I can chase that down.
Let me see if I can chase that down.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:43 pm to COAUTiger
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Gas was actually lower in Obama's last two years than most of Trump's
Was that from the increase in supply due to the profitability of fracking?
Are going to be able to frack our way out of a spike in oil prices with the new regs?
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I don't know. It could be a case where we are returning the price OPEC+ wanted before their spat in March 2020 that lead to a HUGE glut of oil on the market.
Be sure to factor into that rational of the oil glut the fleet of aircraft parked on runways world-wide in March of 2020.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:59 pm to keks tadpole
Obama's low gas prices / oil prices were actually bad on US oil. In many US fields, it cost more to produce oil that what the price at that time so those fields dramatically reduce supply or shut things down altogether.
When those situations happen, it makes banks afraid to lend money to US oil knowing oil price is based on OPEC+ decisions. Part of the reason why Russia opposed OPEC+ quotas in March was they wanted more supply on the market to break US oil backs again. While it may seem like a temporary hurt on US oil, it has long ramifications like bank lending and stock prices. OPEC+ is not fond of doing this very often because it hurts their profits from oil. And their national budgets are primarily around oil profits. I read an article that said Saudi's would prefer $80 for their national budget but at that price, US oil could start roaring again.
For people in the know about LNG, why hasn't that become more of an alternative to gas? Is it because it's still a fossil fuel and doesn't get the support EV's do?
When those situations happen, it makes banks afraid to lend money to US oil knowing oil price is based on OPEC+ decisions. Part of the reason why Russia opposed OPEC+ quotas in March was they wanted more supply on the market to break US oil backs again. While it may seem like a temporary hurt on US oil, it has long ramifications like bank lending and stock prices. OPEC+ is not fond of doing this very often because it hurts their profits from oil. And their national budgets are primarily around oil profits. I read an article that said Saudi's would prefer $80 for their national budget but at that price, US oil could start roaring again.
For people in the know about LNG, why hasn't that become more of an alternative to gas? Is it because it's still a fossil fuel and doesn't get the support EV's do?
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:53 pm to COAUTiger
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The President can effect the cost to produce oil in the US. Not the price of oil on the international market.
Think about this comment for a second....
Now let me ask you a question....does US oil get sold on the international market?
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:56 pm to COAUTiger
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But we did export a hellava lot more under Trump than any other president.
Yeah but presidents don’t matter, right?
Posted on 2/19/21 at 9:03 pm to COAUTiger
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The presidents policy does effect Supply and Demand. Therefore it effects the price OPEC selects. - President affects US oil costs and when they can really jump into the market. But US oil is much more limited on the ppb, OPEC+ still can determine much of the role of US oil on the market. OPEC+ takes this into consideration when they are setting their quotas.
This is what I take from this comment:
You desperately trying to camouflage your admittance that your original comment that presidents don’t affect oil prices was fricking wrong
And anyone with a fricking brain could come to that conclusion, except you apparently.
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