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re: Officer in Eric Garner case: I never used a choke hold
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:28 am to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:28 am to meauxjeaux2
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many martial arts experts have already said that.
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:29 am to the808bass
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Yes. Resisting arrest can be simply not moving fast enough in response to an officer command.
Yes. I've seen someone threatened with it because they asked a question before complying.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
Asking pigs questions is a big no-no.
We should all know better.
We should all know better.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:35 am to the808bass
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Linked above.
quote:Okay.
You're obviously far more versed on this from an anatomical standpoint so I'm not going to try to bluff my way out of this.
So simply put, cutting off the airway i.e., airway obstruction resulting in death of a strong individual causes coincident swelling of the lungs known as negative inspiratory pressure pulmonary edema (NIPPE). Chest compression as cause of death does not cause pulmonary edema. It's sort of an either or picture. The fact the poor fellow was saying "I can't breathe, I can't breathe" is far more compatible with compression FWIW.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:38 am to the808bass
If the cop was trained and told not to do what he did, what culpability does the city have? I mean clearly he went rouge, right? Or is the settlement ment to garner support from the majority in the community for reelection?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:38 am to Hawkeye95
Settlements occur everyday with law enforcement agencies when the department is not at fault.
Agencies do this for fear of going to trial and getting stuck with a liberal judge and jury.
They believe it saves them money, I say take all their asses to court........when u win.....counter sue their arse!
That would hopefully show some of these assholes that if you bring a frivolous suit.......get ready to pay!
Agencies do this for fear of going to trial and getting stuck with a liberal judge and jury.
They believe it saves them money, I say take all their asses to court........when u win.....counter sue their arse!
That would hopefully show some of these assholes that if you bring a frivolous suit.......get ready to pay!
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:41 am to NC_Tigah
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So simply put, cutting off the airway i.e., airway obstruction resulting in death of a strong individual causes coincident swelling of the lungs known as negative inspiratory pressure pulmonary edema (NIPPE).
But neck compression could cause death without airway obstruction, correct?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:41 am to C
Correct. This was not a choke hold.
Hell, my 7yo that takes Karate knows this.
My wife and I were watching the news a few nights ago and they were showing the video.
My 7yo then gave her and I a full instruction on a "proper choke hold" then proceeded to inform both of us that had a proper choke hold been in place, the man on the TV wouldn't be able to talk.
Yup. A fricking 7yo kid knows better. Unreal.
Hell, my 7yo that takes Karate knows this.
My wife and I were watching the news a few nights ago and they were showing the video.
My 7yo then gave her and I a full instruction on a "proper choke hold" then proceeded to inform both of us that had a proper choke hold been in place, the man on the TV wouldn't be able to talk.
Yup. A fricking 7yo kid knows better. Unreal.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:42 am to C
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If the cop was trained and told not to do what he did, what culpability does the city have? I mean clearly he went rouge, right? Or is the settlement ment to garner support from the majority in the community for reelection?
The settlement will be by an insurance company who knows they have liability. They don't GAF about reelection. The cop should not have qualified immunity if he's acting outside policy which is obviously why the union is arguing he acted within policy.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:43 am to infantry1026
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Settlements occur everyday with law enforcement agencies when the department is not at fault.
Their insurance carriers are apparently disagreeing.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:59 am to the808bass
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Is that really the argument you want to make?
A I have said here and other places numerous times. People and suspects determine the level of force used against them by police. When that statement ceases to be true you have the beginning of an excessive force case.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:01 pm to infantry1026
quote:
Settlements occur everyday with law enforcement agencies when the department is not at fault.
Agencies do this for fear of going to trial and getting stuck with a liberal judge and jury.
They believe it saves them money, I say take all their asses to court........when u win.....counter sue their arse!
The entire system is designed to encourage settlements. Especially in federal court. Settlements can be controlled. This is for all cases regardless of parties involved.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:04 pm to Five0
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A I have said here and other places numerous times. People and suspects determine the level of force used against them by police. When that statement ceases to be true you have the beginning of an excessive force case.
This is just not true. Police determine the level of force used by police. Whether they determine it correctly or not is where the question of excessive force comes into play. Your construction is just totally and completely false.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:08 pm to the808bass
quote:Not with the guy saying "I can't breathe" during the process. Again, vascular compression would cause a rapid LOC.
But neck compression could cause death without airway obstruction
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:13 pm to C
Why wouldn't he say that?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:16 pm to NC_Tigah
But as Baden noted above (assuming that's correct), there was hemorrhaging in the neck. So it would be silly to not mention the compression of the neck in the autopsy.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:19 pm to rbWarEagle
Officer Pantaleo only follows procedure. Just like last year when he made two subjects strip nude in public for a search. Procedure.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:20 pm to NC_Tigah
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Again, vascular compression would cause a rapid LOC.
Rapid? Like maybe about 10-13 seconds? Or faster?
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:21 pm to the808bass
Okay. I'm completely false based on what?
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:25 pm to the808bass
quote:That really makes no sense.
But as Baden noted above (assuming that's correct), there was hemorrhaging in the neck.
It also conflicts with other reports.
However, the focus is on cause of death.
Insofar as ocular petechiae, or neck hemorrhage are compatible with other evidence as to cause of death, those observations would be important. Otherwise, they are of no more value than other incidental injuries sustained . . . scrapes, abrasions, etc.
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