re: Obama voters: Y U mad? Criticism is warranted.

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I voted for Obama twice. Yes, I am disappointed in him. He has not gotten us Gun Control nor Universal health Care. He also needs to stand up for America's inters ts as the champions of freedom amd stop Putin in his tracks.

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And how do propose he should stop Putin?

Voted for Barry twice and would so again given the same choices. Did not vote for Barry in the primaries though....


Barry has been a dismal failure. I think this is going to be the trend for presidents for the foreseaable future. W was a failure, Obama has been as bad or worse, and Hilary will be equally disapointing (especially considering she is a neo-con with a d after her name).


I am not shocked at being disappointed in a politician....I have grown to assume that politicians are going to be dissapointments. What I am shocked at and dissapointed in is the citizens of this country settling for Obama's and Romney's and Kerry's and McCain's. I am as guilty as anyone but like the weather some of us spend a lot of time talking about it but no one does anything about it.....

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I see this shite all the time and I really have no idea what the "makers" really "make" and who the frick are these people?
Worthless words if ever there was........

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It's quite simple - "makers" get up in the morning and go make "businesses", making "goods" or "services" that other people want. Sometimes they're the boss and they "make" jobs and opportunities.

"Takers" wait on something to be given to them - and don't produce or add anything.

Meaningless now?

There is simply no such thing as "too many" of the former, and we can only afford so many of the latter.

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Clearly, it's as simple as takers and makers. 90% of white people in Alabama are makers. The state of West Virginia is choc o bloc with makers. Mississippi, too. But New England? Takers. The lot of 'em. (New England being the physical, spiritual, and intellectual home of the American revolution, the best educated part of the country, and the wealthiest part of the country.)

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Where da fuq did I make it racial or regional?

White trailer parks are full of takers. Black Chambers of Commerce are full of makers.

New England has lots of fine folks. Lots of people in Alabama have "too close" of a relationship with their sister.

(But there are makers and takers - just so you know...)

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That's statistically significant

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How?

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Voted for Barry twice and would so again given the same choices.

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You may be a Union guy, but, you sure aren't a Teamster, like I was.

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Resident Obamabots and Obama supporters:

You all seem so angry, edgy, defensive and more rude than normal since Russia took over Crimea. Why is that?

You folks should calm down and accept the fact that Obama is a shitty POTUS. Criticism of Obama is warranted.

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What the frick would ANY US President do in that situation, go conventional war, sanction them without Europe's support or what the frick Nuke them, is Obama a good President? Do not really think that but are the Anti-Obama people are bat-shite Crazy. Only time really tells how effective a President is. I was not happy with Bush I but now looking back he did a hell of a job. 20 years from now, then we can have real Obama debates.

This is what the thread is about.

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You all seem so angry, edgy, defensive and more rude than normal since Russia took over Crimea

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The context of the OP I believe, was Obama's ungentlemanly debating approach to tell Romney that "the 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back". This line was eaten up by the Obama voter base. That being said, it would appear that Romney was correct in that Russia is still a geopolitical enemy? Especially curious is Obama telling Putin that he "would have more flexibility after the elections".

That notwithstanding, Your response seems to confirm the point? Although I'm not sure you're actually an Obama fan?

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What the frick would ANY US President do in that situation

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ANY President of the United States of America doesn't have to talk tough and then not back it up. There are more diplomatic means, but this guy is not a leader.

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go conventional war, sanction them without Europe's support or what the frick Nuke them, is Obama a good President

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Nobody is saying that.

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Do not really think that

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Good.

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but are the Anti-Obama people are bat-shite Crazy

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We can debate the relative bat-shite craziness of members of both pro and anti Obama groups.

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Only time really tells how effective a President is

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I heartily disagree. Obama has kept zero of his campaign promises. The only one that came close was making healthcare affordable, but nobody that voted for his bill actually read the damn thing and it turns out healthcare is more unaffordable.

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I was not happy with Bush

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Me too! To be honest, I'm not sure I am happy with any of the presidents in my lifetime. Carter sucked, I don't think anybody's looked enough into Reagan to know if the economic growth was trickle-down economics or massive military overspending, Bush raised taxes after I read his lips, Clinton enabled excessive risk taking that has completley fricked the banking systems, Bush II invaded Iraq which it turns out wasn't such an awesome idea, and Obama just flat out can't lead and doesn't even make good decisions.

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but now looking back he did a hell of a job

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meh.......only relative to what the current president is doing.

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20 years from now, then we can have real Obama debates

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Perhaps you are correct in the aspect that in 20 years people will be more able to have a discussion that does not involve such uninformed views. At the present time, I feel as if we have enough data on campaign promises vs. actual results in combination with the exhibited lack of leadership and documented bad behavior and denial of documented bad behavior to know that Obama was not the right choice to lead this country.

I would also speculate from reading this board that the primary reason why people didn't vote for Romney are the beliefs they hold about him just because he is a rich white guy (e.g., wouldn't piss on a poor guy if he was on fire, won't help the needy, doesn't care about the middle class). I would submit that the actions that our current President has taken have had the same exact effect that they were worried about.

I need a drink.

I do not feel like breaking down arguments step by step but I am not shy to list my voting history to give you perspective
Bush I
Perot
Perot
Bush II
Bush II
Obama
Obama

Not exactly playing one side of the fence. My Obama votes were more a reaction to the extreme right swing of the Republicans in 2008 & 2012. I am not an Obama fan boy by any means. I have also always tended to be a hawk. As for rude I use F'bombs all the time and I am usually just on the Rant. As for George H. Bush at the time I was angry about the Tax increase but our country was in a mess in 90-92. Clinton gets credit for the 90's but that was more about the Business Cycle and less who is president. Campaign promises are meaningless to equate to how good of good a President has done as well in my opinion.