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re: Obama advisor Axelrod, visits the Pope
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:48 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:48 am to FooManChoo
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I sin daily and am always in need of repentance (which I seek to also do when I become aware of my sin), however, I am also trusting that Jesus' perfect obedience and righteousness are credited to me, so I am now forgiven of all past, present, and future transgressions. In response to that declaration, I seek to please the Lord daily through continued sorrow for sin and new obedience to God's law. There is nothing I can contribute to what Christ has done for me, but I do try to honor the Lord in response to my salvation by good works that He's commanded me to walk in.
My concern is more for Obama and the Pope, as I haven't seen a credible profession of faith alone in Christ alone for their justification and right standing before God. I truly hope and pray that they repent of any works-righteousness that they may be clinging to and seek Christ alone, if they haven't already.
Very well stated and I agree.
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:03 am to jimmy the leg
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So Obama having children killed is not worthy of a comment?
He asked me to comment on the Pope meeting with Axelford about meeting with Obama. A meeting about a meeting.
If you're asking if I personally support the military action Obama commandeered -- I do not.
The board has been wiped from when Obama was elected but I did not vote for him. l was a staunch Republican back then and I probably did support the endless war in the Middle East at that time. I was in my early 20s and didn't know any better.
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How about him ordering the murder of an American citizen (without due process)?
Oh yeah, I totally support this. Good grief.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:06 am to ReauxlTide222
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And you acted like that was wild and the Pope never does that.
I didn't say this! I probably asked for an example of what you were upset about.
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Then 3 days later we have this discussion and you don’t gaf.
I don't care what Pope Frances said about Obama 10 years ago. It doesn't have anything to do with Pope Leo. I'm on team Pope. You're trying to frame this as the Pope picking on Trump instead of the Pope just being Catholic.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:12 am to AUJACK
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Very well stated and I agree.
So, you agree with the guy whose Religion teaches that the US Constitution is a Sinful document and that Dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark?
Is that correct?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:35 am to Champagne
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So, you agree with the guy whose Religion teaches that the US Constitution is a Sinful document and that Dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark?
Is that correct?
I stand by what I replied. I have not read what he previously posted or your interpretation. I think the post I replied to was an honest reference to his beliefs and I saw value in the post and was moved to reply without judgment.
Not so much in your post. You can go frick yourself and may God Bless you.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:40 am to AUJACK
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Not so much in your post. You can go frick yourself and may God Bless you.
I'm just trying to clarify your Theological beliefs, my friend. If this causes you to emotionally rage-out, then, I apologize for disturbing you.
Is the US Constitution a "Sinful document" in your opinion? Can you tell us that?
On Noah's Ark, were there Dinosaurs?
Is the Earth roughly 6,000 years old?
What is your religious denomination?
These should be easy questions for any normal and well-adjusted person.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:44 am to cajunangelle
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Obama knows the Pope is from Chicago and antichrist like minded...
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:52 am to Champagne
quote:It's clear you are not acting in good faith, and seem to not do that often in reference to me. Instead of chalking those things up to mere 3rd-tier disagreements, you act as if my beliefs about core doctrines of the faith should be rejected because of those disagreements about non-salvific issues.
I'm just trying to clarify your Theological beliefs, my friend. If this causes you to emotionally rage-out, then, I apologize for disturbing you.
Is the US Constitution a "Sinful document" in your opinion? Can you tell us that?
On Noah's Ark, were there Dinosaurs?
Is the Earth roughly 6,000 years old?
What is your religious denomination?
These should be easy questions for any normal and well-adjusted person.
I believe the Bible teaches all nations should submit to Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords, including our own. You seem to think that is a silly concept, because you are mocking me for my position about the Constitution (BTW, I don't believe the Constitution is illegitimate, or that everything it says is sinful; only that I believe it is wrong for it to not give honor to Christ as the supreme authority over all nations). You mock me for my position on the literal flood of Noah and a young earth, even though those are supported biblically and have been believed by the majority of Christians for 2,000 years.
I don't condemn anyone for their disagreement with me on those issues, and I think you can be a faithful follower of Christ in spite of those disagreements. I urge you to reconsider your approach to voicing disagreement.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:54 am to 4cubbies
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I don’t actually gaf about any of this.
How convenient and allows you to dismiss all the children Obama killed.
No wonder you walk through life hearing violins and watching butterflies with selective outrage when it suits you. We know now you don’t really GAF about it, but rage for party loyalty.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 9:57 am to FooManChoo
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so I am now forgiven of all past, present, and future transgressions.
This is a dangerous False Gospel and Heresy. The doctrine of Eternal Security is a False Gospel. We do not have Forgiveness now for any Future Sins that we may commit.
This false doctrine is a new invention that dates from the 1500s and 1600s. It is a gross distortion of the Process of how Christian Pilgrims live through their earthly lives towards Eternal Salvation. If you tell them that they are forgiven already for any future sins that they commit, no matter how heinous, then you are leading them to Hell. Eternal Security doctrine distorts and errs, because it is based on the False Gospel of Double Predestination - that humans are either Saved or Condemned to Hell before they are even born. Double Predes is another core doctrine of the Covenanter.
Your congregation is teaching a False Gospel, Foo. And you are down to less than 8,000 members in the whole USA.
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PS: The US Constitution is not a "Sinful document". That is a ridiculous thing to believe.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:10 am to FooManChoo
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mere 3rd-tier disagreements, you act as if my beliefs about core doctrines of the faith should be rejected because of those disagreements about non-salvific issues.
Foo, you either Preach the Truth here on the Religion Board or you'll have to withstand being called out on it. You can't dodge the issue by attempting to characterize various aspects of your Preaching as "34d-tier" or non-core, when those aspects of your Theology which you Preach here endlessly is wrong, and newly invented Heresy.
Fact is, your particular sect of Presbyterianism is a very small group here in the USA with about 8,000 members. It is not a serious Christian denomination. You have ONE church in Georgia, none in Louisiana, none in Mississippi, none in Alabama and only two in the whole state of Texas.
Your church isn't growing, it's actually shrinking. I've been keeping tabs on its membership for years now.
People should know what you are and what you believe - ALL of what you believe - because you are here in Tigerdroppings endlessly Preaching all day every day - spreading your Theology - spreading your False Gospel.
You and your sect believe that the US Constitution is a document that is a Sinful document. That is a crazy, very weird Theological doctrine to believe in and the people to whom you Preach every day here on the Religion Board should know this.
Here is your sect's website. When you read it on its face, it is very deceptive, because it seems normal. THEN after you meet one of them and they Preach to you about what they really believe, it becomes clear that they are way off base and very fringe, which you would expect with a church that has about 8,000 members in the whole USA.
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Finally, I contend that it is YOU that is not in good faith here. You are here to Preach your Covenanter Theology. This is the Political Talk board.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:13 am to cajunangelle
Pope Leo grew up on the South Side of Chicago. Obama made his leftist agitator bones there and attended a Black Liberation Theology protestant church there.
Does it not make some sense that Obama would want to meet with a fellow South Side of Chicago important person? Obama is probably trying to find a way to manipulate Pope Leo into serving the American New Left agenda in some meaningful way. Of course Obama would do that, right?
Does it not make some sense that Obama would want to meet with a fellow South Side of Chicago important person? Obama is probably trying to find a way to manipulate Pope Leo into serving the American New Left agenda in some meaningful way. Of course Obama would do that, right?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:18 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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How convenient and allows you to dismiss all the children Obama killed.
You're just being intentionally dishonest. Not a good look.
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No wonder you walk through life hearing violins and watching butterflies with selective outrage when it suits you. We know now you don’t really GAF about it, but rage for party loyalty.
As I explicitly stated, Pope Frances's comments about Obama a decade ago are not on my list of concerns today. You can interpret that to mean I like dead kids or whatever else your creative brain can conjure but it does not change what I actually stated.
I bet stopping to appreciate a butterfly or the sound of a violin (not one that my daughter is playing) would improve your quality of life.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:52 am to Champagne
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quote:
Not so much in your post. You can go frick yourself and may God Bless you.
I'm just trying to clarify your Theological beliefs, my friend. If this causes you to emotionally rage-out, then, I apologize for disturbing you.
Is the US Constitution a "Sinful document" in your opinion? Can you tell us that?
On Noah's Ark, were there Dinosaurs?
Is the Earth roughly 6,000 years old?
What is your religious denomination?
These should be easy questions for any normal and well-adjusted person.
My Questions First. You answer my questions and I will answer your questions. These should be easy questions for any normal and well-adjusted person.
Are you married? Are you married to a man or a woman? Is the person you married born a male or female?
My question for you is have you ever had an attraction for the opposite sex and if so, have you had had sex with the opposite sex, yes or no?
Are you a homosexual?
Do you believe in God? Are you a Christian?
Do you believe The Holy Bible is the Word of God?
Do you believe in Bigfoot? Just threw that in there to see if you were paying attention.
What is your level of education?
What was your major?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:00 am to AUJACK
And people say this is not a trolling board, but a board for serious discussion.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:43 pm to Champagne
quote:Yes, we do, because our justification is once-for-all-time in Christ. The only sins that will not be forgiven is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is full and final rejection of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
This is a dangerous False Gospel and Heresy. The doctrine of Eternal Security is a False Gospel. We do not have Forgiveness now for any Future Sins that we may commit.
Regarding eternal security, we are told by Jesus that no one can snatch us out of His hands if we belong to Him (John 10:27-29). We are also told that our glorification is part of a continual chain of justification, spoken of in the past-tense due to how sure it is (Romans 8:29–30). We are told that the one who began the work in us will complete it (Philippians 1:6). We are told this eternal inheritance is being guarded for us by God (1 Peter 1:3–5). Many more passages can be cited, but this is a good start, I think.
Regarding forgiveness today for all sins, including future sins: We are told that Christ's single offering (on the cross) perfected for all time those who are being sanctified (Hebrews 10:12–14). We are told that there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Romans 8:1). We are told that if we are in Christ, we have been justified already, which both a past and present reality (Romans 5:1).
If Christ has paid for all of our sins, and we are justified already, and we cannot be snatched from Christ's saving hands, then that means we have forgiveness today for all sins against God we have committed and will ever commit.
quote:The gospel is that sinners are saved by Christ's merits alone, received through faith alone. "Eternal security" is the natural result of Christ's gracious work on the cross for sinners.
This false doctrine is a new invention that dates from the 1500s and 1600s. It is a gross distortion of the Process of how Christian Pilgrims live through their earthly lives towards Eternal Salvation. If you tell them that they are forgiven already for any future sins that they commit, no matter how heinous, then you are leading them to Hell. Eternal Security doctrine distorts and errs, because it is based on the False Gospel of Double Predestination - that humans are either Saved or Condemned to Hell before they are even born. Double Predes is another core doctrine of the Covenanter.
You reject it because you reject that Christ paid it all. Your church teaches that we have to pay for our own sins, and be purged in Purgatory before we can make it into Heaven. Your church also teaches that it's possible for a Christian to commit a mortal sin before they die and that without absolution, that person can be damned. Your church teaches a false gospel, because she teaches that Christ is not enough to save sinners. We need to also save ourselves with the help of our works and the works and sacramental system of Rome.
quote:My congregation has been growing substantially over the last year, so if numbers dictate truth (they don't), then my congregation must be doing OK.
Your congregation is teaching a False Gospel, Foo. And you are down to less than 8,000 members in the whole USA.
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Since you seem to keep forgetting, though: consensus does not determine truth.
By the way, I could happily join in with an OPC or most PCA churches, so I don't know why you don't add those into the mix when you add those numbers together. Maybe it's because your argument won't look so forceful, even through it's fallacious.
quote:Any government that does not "kiss the Son" as Psalm 2 says is disobeying God. Our government's highest authority is the Constitution, not Jesus Christ, and therefore we, as a nation, are neglecting our responsibility to honor Him as our highest authority.
PS: The US Constitution is not a "Sinful document". That is a ridiculous thing to believe.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:23 pm to Champagne
quote:I think you missed my point. I'm fine with disagreement. You aren't arguing in good faith, because you continue (even in this post) to use bad argumentation and attacking me personally as being crazy. If you want to engage in a Christian conversation, I'm open to it, but you aren't wanting to do that.
Foo, you either Preach the Truth here on the Religion Board or you'll have to withstand being called out on it.
quote:My beliefs are drawn directly from the Bible. Your lack of understanding of Church history and total reliance upon the Catholic Catechism does not change that.
You can't dodge the issue by attempting to characterize various aspects of your Preaching as "34d-tier" or non-core, when those aspects of your Theology which you Preach here endlessly is wrong, and newly invented Heresy.
quote:Again, this is irrelevant to whether or not what I believe is true. A LOT of people abandoned the Roman church during the Reformation. Would you be fine with the arguments that were presented then that the loss of so many Catholics to Protestantism was evidence that Rome was dying and had a false gospel? Of course not, because you know good and well that the number of people claiming allegiance to Rome does not change whether or not you believe Rome is the one and true church of Jesus Christ. Because you wouldn't accept such an argument, you are being inconsistent in raising that as an objection to what I believe.
Fact is, your particular sect of Presbyterianism is a very small group here in the USA with about 8,000 members. It is not a serious Christian denomination. You have ONE church in Georgia, none in Louisiana, none in Mississippi, none in Alabama and only two in the whole state of Texas.
Your church isn't growing, it's actually shrinking. I've been keeping tabs on its membership for years now.
quote:Again, it's not a false gospel. I share the same gospel that Jesus shared, and all historic Protestantism agrees. Whether or not people know that I believe in exclusive psalmody in worship is irrelevant to the truth of the gospel that I preach, and I'm very open and honest with my beliefs. You don't have me in a "gotcha" because you let others know what I believe.
People should know what you are and what you believe - ALL of what you believe - because you are here in Tigerdroppings endlessly Preaching all day every day - spreading your Theology - spreading your False Gospel.
I'm preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm not attempting to convert anyone to Presbyterianism, or the RPCNA. I'm presenting a gospel message that all born-again Christians can agree with, because it's not specific to me or one denomination. You bringing up how small my denomination is in an attempt to discredit the gospel I preach is deceptive and irrational. You do not argue in good faith, as I've said.
quote:I haven't held that back. The only reason you know it is because I've said as much. You are also mischaracterizing my position by saying it's a "sinful document", as if everything in it is sinful.
You and your sect believe that the US Constitution is a document that is a Sinful document. That is a crazy, very weird Theological doctrine to believe in and the people to whom you Preach every day here on the Religion Board should know this.
quote:If you read it, you probably saw that we are part of North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council (NAPARC) and are in fellowship with several other denominations that believe very similarly to us. We aren't off on our own like some cult, as you are trying to make us out to be.
Here is your sect's website. When you read it on its face, it is very deceptive, because it seems normal. THEN after you meet one of them and they Preach to you about what they really believe, it becomes clear that they are way off base and very fringe, which you would expect with a church that has about 8,000 members in the whole USA.
LINK
quote:We are commanded to hold every thought captive to Christ. That's what I'm trying to do. There is no subject or category that is outside the realm of Christ's Lordship. I've been consistent with my positions and my reasons for preaching the gospel here. I'm here to provide a Christian worldview on politics and current events, and to preach the true gospel of Jesus Christ for those who are willing to receive it.
Finally, I contend that it is YOU that is not in good faith here. You are here to Preach your Covenanter Theology. This is the Political Talk board.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:30 pm to 4cubbies
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You're just being intentionally dishonest.
You’re the one who included his whole statement and chose to say you don’t GAF.
You had a moment of finally being honest and now back pedaling. Not a good look.
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