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re: NZ Parents refuse vaccinated blood for life-saving surgery on their baby
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:43 pm to Lakeboy7
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:43 pm to Lakeboy7
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"Yes I would kill my child for my political beliefs"
The sheer irony of this statement.
Tell this to the pro-abortionists who will refuse to take any responsibility for indulging in promiscuous sex and then fall back on abortion as "contraception". That's pretty much a political statement.
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:44 pm to lsunurse
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But each individual case would go before the hospital’s ethics board
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:45 pm to Penrod
Don’t try to tell them facts now.
They won’t trust any medical professionals saying there is no scientific or medical based reason to even know the vaccine status of blood donors. Which is why not even the hospitals know the status of blood donations in regards to vaccine status. The FDA doesn’t require blood banks to separate blood. They take donations regardless of vaccine status.
Blood donations are tested for numerous things. That isn’t one of them because it doesn’t need to be.
One can stomp their feet all they want and demand a hospital only give them “unvaccinated” blood. But a hospital will not be able to even consider granting this ridiculous request because they don’t even know.
They won’t trust any medical professionals saying there is no scientific or medical based reason to even know the vaccine status of blood donors. Which is why not even the hospitals know the status of blood donations in regards to vaccine status. The FDA doesn’t require blood banks to separate blood. They take donations regardless of vaccine status.
Blood donations are tested for numerous things. That isn’t one of them because it doesn’t need to be.
One can stomp their feet all they want and demand a hospital only give them “unvaccinated” blood. But a hospital will not be able to even consider granting this ridiculous request because they don’t even know.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:45 pm to keakar
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you liberal idiots are sitting here cheering the state trying to force parents to put their childs life at risk just so pharmacy companies can get richer and you are saying the parents are the ones being dumb when its you
When in the hell did I become a lib? What I see here is a failure of the parents and a failure of the medical community in separating / labeling donated blood. This seems like something that should be the norm the world over.
Generally speaking I'm not in favor of the state getting involved in situations like this but the options here seem limited. The parents actions will kill. The state's actions oddly enough might bring life but with unknown long term side effects from vaccinated blood.
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how nice of you to ignore the FACT that vaxx blood will destroy their babies immune system for life, and that is if it doesnt immediately kill the child outright.
This is a thing? Since when? We have studies that show this? I mean this fact should be easy for you to prove to all of us.
By the way... I'm not vaccinated and never will be.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:47 pm to Penrod
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What’s the difference between that blood and blood from someone who had covid?
A person that caught COVID and recovered has a broader spectrum of COVID protein antibodies than someone that just took the vaccine and did not catch COVID.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:48 pm to terd ferguson
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Don't be so obtuse. Seeking medical care is not the same as a fricking hospital using the legal system to force procedures on children.
So if a 5 year will die without a blood transfusion and the mom refuses because of her beliefs….you are saying the doctor should just be like “ok then, oh well, what funeral home would you like us to contact?”
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:49 pm to TigerDoc
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what is the "vaccine product" that's objectionable in the donated blood?
They probably don't want a blood product that just contains spiked protein antibodies. They probably want a blood product with no COVID antibodies or a full spectrum of COVID protein antibodies.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:50 pm to the_truman_shitshow
Why don't the parents just donate their blood for the surgery?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:51 pm to lsunurse
Jehovah Witnesses say 'hello'....often won't even if it's their own blood.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:51 pm to Texaggie96
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Why don't the parents just donate their blood for the surgery?
I would bet my last dollar that the Oberführers' involved in the case won't LET them.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:53 pm to GumboPot
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They probably don't want a blood product that just contains spiked protein antibodies. They probably want a blood product with no COVID antibodies or a full spectrum of COVID protein antibodies.
So blood from a person who'd had a vaccine AND had been infected with COVID would be ok to these parents?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:55 pm to WTHisgoingon
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Jehovah Witnesses say 'hello'....often won't even if it's their own blood.
That’s the situation I’ve encountered at work over the years
For some…an emergency court order was obtained so the child could get the blood
For the others….once the dr said they would get a court order the parents usually change their mind and agree as long as their family isn’t told the child got blood
If it is someone over 18….the hospital has no other choice but to let the person die.
If all situations they will exhaust any other way as to try and prolong life without blood if they can.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:58 pm to lsunurse
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The courts are involved. I would imagine the hospital will be granted temporary guardianship to save the child’s life.
It seems as though the request should be easy to grant. You people who jump to state control as the solution are the worst.
Deciding that a reasonable request like this not be considered is what would be killing the child.
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Refuse all the care you want as an adult….but when it’s a child involved the hospital will get courts involved to save their life
I suspect that the parents think that what they are doing is in the best interest of the child. A “ped nurse” certainly shouldn’t have any influence on that decision. Doctors should only have influence if it’s an immediate life saving decision.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:59 pm to SelaTiger
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But of course you take the tainted blood if it’s the only option
Of course.
But If given the option which would you choose for your child? I think it’s very reasonable to choose the unvaccinated blood.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:01 pm to TigerDoc
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So blood from a person who'd had a vaccine AND had been infected with COVID would be ok to these parents?
IDK what would be okay with these parents.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:05 pm to oogabooga68
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I would bet my last dollar that the Oberführers' involved in the case won't LET them.
That would probably be more acceptable/easy a road to travel then asking the entire health organization to label blood as to what vaccines the person has had.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:05 pm to oogabooga68
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The Govt and Pfizer have already admitted the vaccine is poison,sheep.
Why does Trump still brag about it?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:07 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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So you agree with the parents possibly letting their child die rather than getting vaccinated blood?
This is some twisted logic. Is the ABSOLUTE ONLY option vaccinated blood or die?
Or, have people like you already removed unvaccinated blood from the menu in order to create this false choice.
I’d also like to add that people like yourself and lsunurse that have no children really shouldn’t have a voice in this discussion. Unless you are a parent you don’t understand.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:08 pm to moneyg
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A “ped nurse” certainly shouldn’t have any influence on that decision. Doctors should only have influence if it’s an immediate life saving decision.
It’s the doctors that head up the ethics committees and decide to seek legal intervention. Please point out where I said I have anything to do with those decisions.
But the nurses and other staff caring for the patient also obviously know what is going on, since we are the ones dealing with the family on a more regular basis.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:10 pm to the_truman_shitshow
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