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re: NY Times: Pentagon’s UFO Program - aerospace/esoteric/quantum mechanics/future

Posted on 7/17/20 at 11:23 pm to
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 11:23 pm to
I'm sure some of the craft people are witnessing are ours. But just because say the black triangles are secret air craft doesnt mean other craft are not something else. Unidentified had Vietnam era pilots describing craft similiar to the Nimitz encounter and that was 50 years ago. So wouldnt this technology have changed or been deployed at some point since then? We tend to look at the phenomenon argue.oh its aliens..no its foreign adversaries, no its ours, it cant be interstellar b/c of distance etc so time travelers. Maybe it's all of the above.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 11:36 pm to
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So wouldnt this technology have changed or been deployed at some point since then?


Maybe. Maybe not. Imo. If they recovered some crashed tech, and they can barely understand what they're even looking at, how much are they going to improve the tech? According to some of the folks that have spoken on these matters (I'm thinking specifically of Bob Lazar and David Adair), they employ scientists to study this stuff and they can barely even make sense of what they're looking at.

They've obviously gotten the stuff to the point they can use it by now, but I don't see them really improving on technology that was clearly developed by a much more advanced civilization.

And even if they developed this stuff right here from scratch themselves, at a certain point you aren't gonna need to improve on technology that is already seemingly godlike.

But otherwise, I totally agree that the entire phenomenon is likely to be a mixed bag of people involved. I think we have our own very fancy technology, we get visited by people from other planets, and we also get visited by people from other dimensions/timelines.

What's funny is that on top of all this, I also think there is a type of "energy" out there that is very similar to what, in Harry Potter parlance, is called a "Bogart." A type of pure conscious energy that can manifest itself according to whatever is in the mind of whoever happens to be perceiving it. Sometimes it can make itself appear to be a sasquatch, while at other times it can make itself appear to be a gray alien.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 11:45 pm to
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The concept that there may be a “multiparty” aspect to these encounters, with humanity as a minor player.

The idea that advanced intelligence already exists on earth; the supposed “ultraterrestrial” hypothesis,

I'm thinking these two maybe be what Elizondo is pointing to, but what do you think?
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 11:49 pm to
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What's funny is that on top of all this, I also think there is a type of "energy" out there that is very similar to what, in Harry Potter parlance, is called a "Bogart." A type of pure conscious energy that can manifest itself according to whatever is in the mind of whoever happens to be perceiving it. Sometimes it can make itself appear to be a sasquatch, while at other times it can make itself appear to be a gray alien.


So something like a poltergeist.. a physical manifestation of an emotional state. Just out of curiosity have you ever experienced this yourself?
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 12:01 am to
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Just out of curiosity have you ever experienced this yourself?



Yes, actually, I believe I have. It was a sasquatch sighting. I've seen a few UFOs as well, but the sasquatch sighting and the extremely odd nature of it pretty much convinced me that whatever that particular thing is, isn't really "real" in the sense that it isn't an actual upright, intelligent, large ape. It's similar to the Skin Walker Ranch material if you're familiar. One of the stories from that place was of a "werewolf" that was chasing some folks on two legs and when they had reached the farm house and turned around to look behind them, the "werewolf" had stopped, leaned against a tree and lit a cigarette. This, of course, isn't real. But to the people experiencing it, it seems very real. The native Americans called this a "tulpa," and I think that is very close to what at least one aspect of the phenomenon (a phenomena) is.

I believe this also explains why, throughout the years, the abduction phenomena thing has been persistent, but in the past, the abductors were not considered to be gray aliens from outer space, but instead they were figured to be things like sprites, fairies, gnomes, elves, etc. People back then didn't think of gray aliens. So the energy didn't manifest as a gray alien. Instead, it manifested as a goblin or whatever the case may be.

Some people, btw, seem to be more closely in tune with all this shite and I think that is due to the amount of magnetite being produced in our brains. Some folks may go through life never experiencing anything paranormal, while others, like myself, have several experiences with it. The other explanation for why I have seen sasquatch, numerous UFOs, and poltergeist energy may be because I have already "died" once and been across the veil. These days I literally have to dial myself back off of the thoughts of all of this stuff because if I fully absorb myself into it it's almost like I start manifesting the shite in real life, and that stuff can take you down into the dark and twisty if you aren't careful.
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Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 12:01 am to
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it cant be interstellar b/c of


Once the human mind can be uploaded into machines, the body will no longer matter an can be changed out just like we get a new car. At that point you can cruise the comos and time no longer matters. You would also be able to send the mind at the speed of light, just like data can be sent
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 12:12 am to
Yea I never understood the argument that the distances are too great. It's such a closed minded view.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 12:35 am to
This part of the synopsis of Chains from the Sea really jumped out at me.
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Later, the boy learns that the Other People, Aliens and AI have decided to carry out a complex project that will alter “entropy” itself in a way that will extinct the human species:

“What’d you want?” Tommy finally said.
“We’ve come to say goodbye,” the Thant replied. “It is almost time for you all to be made not. The” — flick — ”first phase of the Project was started this morning and the second phase began a little while ago. It should not take too long, Man, not more than a few days.”
“Will it hurt?” Tommy asked.
“We do not think so, Man. We are” — and it flicked through his mind until it found a place where Mr. Brogan, the science teacher, was saying “entropy” to a colleague in the hall as Tommy walked by — ”increasing entropy. That’s what makes everything fall apart, what” — flick — ”makes an ice cube melt, what” — flick — ’’makes a cold glass get warm after a while. We are increasing entropy. Both our” — flick — ”races live here, but yours uses this, the physical, more than ours. So we will not have to increase entropy much” — flick — “just a little, for a little while. You are more” — flick — ”vulnerable to it than we are. It will not be long, Man.”

The story ends with the Other People apologizing for the coming genocide as they proceed toward “winding down the world.”




I suppose it's just temporal bias, for a lack of a better phrase, but its feels like events are accelerating towards something. I think a lot of us feel it. I usually just dismiss it as something every generation feels with the ebb and flow of events that impact humanity throughout history and especially now by being bombarded with information. Idk ...I cant shake the feeling we are about to witness something extraordinary...something that will cause a global shift in consciousness. Perhaps a global sighting of this phenomenon. Anybody else feel this way?

Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 11:04 am to
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Anybody else feel this way? 


Absolutely. I think it's the end game of everything we see happening. I think that all of this madness unfolding across this country and indeed the entire world, is the deep state fighting to keep Trump from releasing suppressed UFO and medical technology.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 3:38 pm to
This thread has discussed our genetic code/development as a marker of intelligent design (I replied to the post that it is discussed in)

The talk below has it all

Cataclysm
Genetic manipulation
Ultraterrestrials living alongside humans
Post biological entities
The looming threat of AI


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5IpUl9lZ0Dk

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#429 - Bruce Fenton, Exogenesis, Hybrid Humans and a Scientific History of E.T. Genetic Manipulation
524 views 33 3 Share Save Report The Grimerica Show
9.12K subscribers SUBSCRIBE Published on Jul 14, 2020 The interview starts at 43:40, link to live video https://youtu.be/LFSbvVrgweE

Bruce Fenton is back in Grimerica to chat about his new book “Exogenesis, Hybrid Humans - A Scientific History of Extraterrestrial Genetic Manipulation" and how that research relates to our contemporary transhumanist evolution.

We expand on his earlier book that he wrote with his wife about the possible events approx 780,000 years ago, and we chat about ancient artifacts, hominids, the mainstream view homo sapient evolution, rewriting history, why science has failed us, living AI and contact.

We also touch on feral vs tame, giants and hobbits, ET’s, resonance, recursive language, paranormal and shamanic experiences, tektites and the various ancient tablets around the world.


Pay attention to the discussion of tektites (emerald green stones) and the out of place scene in Prometheus...



—-

Skeptical write up/critique:


https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/bruce-fenton-thinks-aboriginal-australians-have-sacred-alien-ai-probes

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Bruce Fenton Thinks Aboriginal Australians Have Sacred Alien A.I. Probes
7/7/2020 8 Comments If


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Anyway, Fenton talks a bit about Bracewell probes, the name for hypothetical autonomous interstellar research devices, and concludes that Earth is chock full of them:
It is my conviction that the original Churinga were a type of Bracewell probe left here to monitor humanity, perhaps modify our consciousness, and eventually make contact. References to such mystical tablet-like objects with otherworldly connections feature not only among Aboriginal lore but in Hebrew texts and Hopi cosmology. It is likely, in my opinion, that a number of these AI probes were left around the globe.
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/22/20 at 7:59 am to
We have discussed this in this thread prior
All of the action may be underground...

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-why-lava-tubes-could-be-the-best-places-to-look-for-alien-life

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Giant Caves on Alien Worlds Could Be Havens For Life, Scientists Say
EVAN GOUGH, UNIVERSE TODAY 18 JULY 2020


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These lava tubes are turning out to be a very desirable target for exploration on other worlds, just as they are here on Earth.

Lava tubes are formed when the surface of flowing lava cools and hardens, but the lava underneath keeps flowing. It's kind of like a freezing river that forms an ice layer on top while the water underneath keeps flowing. The flowing lava can remain hot and drain out, leaving a cave. This happens on Earth, and can be both a delight and a challenge for spelunkers.

But it's also happened on the Moon, and on Mars, and maybe anywhere else where there's been volcanic activity. Lava tubes are unique environments. They may provide a shelter for life, or evidence of microbial life in the past, and they may contain easily observed records of geological activity.

This is the main idea behind an article titled 'Core Concept: Lava tubes may be havens for ancient alien life and future human explorers'. The author of the article is Sid Perkins, a science journalist who specializes in Earth Sciences, and who also writes about planetary sciences.


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The first evidence of lava tubes on Mars came from NASA's Viking Orbiter. At the volcano Alba Mons, in the Tharsus region of Mars, Viking's camera captured an image of a long tube shape extruded above the surface of the volcano's flank. This is almost undeniably a lava tube.

Mars at one time in its past was wet and warm, and may have hosted life. Over time, it was stripped of its atmosphere and its water, and became frigid. But if there was life there, it may have had time to "migrate" to the only remaining niches where it could survive. On Mars, that might mean lava tubes.


What if this also happened on Earth in remote antiquity...

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"If Mars ever hosted life, it may have moved into such refugia as the planet evolved and surface conditions became increasingly harsh," Perkins wrote in his article. "Indeed, some researchers suggest that microbial life may yet hang on in the Red Planet's underground havens. "


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The walls of lava tubes might hold all kinds of evidence of the history of the world they're on that's simply unattainable any other way. When the Apollo astronauts visited the Moon, they never drilled deeper than about 2.9 meters (9.5 ft.) But the walls of skylights and tubes on the Moon can be tens of meters thick. Mars will be similar, maybe even more exposed.

Distinct geological layers will be exposed to easy study. The walls of lava tubes could show evidence of periods of lava flow, evidence of periods of intense meteor impacts, and more. Examining these walls can shed light on Earth's history too.

Earth is a very active planet, and lots of ancient evidence is simply erased by all the geological activity and erosion. If lava tube walls on the Moon show evidence of sustained periods of meteor impacts - like a well defined layer of pulverized rock - that layer can be dated. With that evidence, we can conclude the same thing happened on Earth, at the same time.


There may be other ancient races who lived on the surface of the Earth prior to us

They migrated inside our planet as they survived a prior surface cataclysm (either on Earth or elsewhere)

What we may be seeing in our skies may be them obtaining surface resources periodically ...

Humanity itself may be a resource that is monitored/harvested (genetic or otherwise)

My last few posts and the JR /Knapp podcast touch on this. This may be why it is a tightly guarded secret. Some could not handle these themes...
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/23/20 at 2:54 pm to
Much of this is not new
We discussed this here in the past

What is new is The NY Times reporting it...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html

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No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public

For over a decade, the program, now tucked inside the Office of Naval Intelligence, has discussed mysterious events in classified briefings.

TRANSCRIPT U.S. Navy Releases Videos of Unexplained Flying Objects The U.S. Navy has officially published previously released videos showing unexplained objects. [radio transmission]

“By Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean July 23, 2020, 2:58 p.m. ET Despite


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Mr. Elizondo is among a small group of former government officials and scientists with security clearances who, without presenting physical proof, say they are convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study.


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Mr. Reid, the former Democratic senator from Nevada who pushed for funding the earlier U.F.O. program when he was the majority leader, said he believed that crashes of vehicles from other worlds had occurred and that retrieved materials had been studied secretly for decades, often by aerospace companies under government contracts. “After looking into this, I came to the conclusion that there were reports — some were substantive, some not so substantive — that there were actual materials that the government and the private sector had in their possession,” Mr. Reid said in an interview.


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Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”

The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence.


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Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later. Committee staff members did not respond to requests for comment on the issue.


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Public fascination with the topic of U.F.O.s has drawn in President Trump, who told his son Donald Trump Jr. in a June interview that he knew “very interesting” things about Roswell — a city in New Mexico that is central to speculation about the existence of U.F.O.s. The president demurred when asked if he would declassify any information on Roswell. “I’ll have to think about that one,” he said.


DJT knows...
Posted by jcaz
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Posted on 7/23/20 at 10:41 pm to
He absolutely knows. As well as previous Presidents. I’m sure it’s in the Day 1 briefing.
Posted by jcaz
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Posted on 7/23/20 at 10:50 pm to
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. There have been many clues in the past 20 years that USA scientists have solved the problem of elimination/ masking physical mass using new technology. Eliminating mass would enable light speed travel, defeat many physical laws that limit movement and potentially enable forward time travel.

First flight was 1903. By 1946 we were supersonic. By 1969 we were on the moon. Technology is evolving exponentially. Therefore I have no doubt we have godlike technology now.
I just wonder how much it will change the world.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:42 pm to
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BkT8pE7xukw&feature=youtu.be

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2020-07-24: Tucker Carlson & David Fravor on UFO Disclosure


Fravor and Tucker speculate that these things are not from here...
Posted by CajunTiger78
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:00 pm to
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He absolutely knows. As well as previous Presidents. I’m sure it’s in the Day 1 briefing.


No I do not thing Trump or any previous presidents other than maybe Eisenhower know/knew anything. There are levels of secrecy that intertwine very deeply.
Posted by QboveTopSecret
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:42 pm to

In sensational testimony submitted on the final day of the Citizen Hearing on [UFO] Disclosure, six former members of the U.S. Congress heard from a former CIA agent about an incident involving President Eisenhower and extraterrestrials.



In a far below video testimony played today before the retired US Congress members, the agent alleged that President Eisenhower sought to gain information from a secret control group called MJ-12 about alien related projects at a facility near Area 51 called S-4, both of which are located in a remote region of Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada.



When denied the requested information, Eisenhower allegedly authorized a personal message that the agent and his immediate superior would deliver to those in charge at Area 51 and S-4. The message was a direct threat that the President would authorize a military invasion of Area 51 and S-4 if his request for information was not carried out.

biblo

Interesting. That has been a theme for some time, I think Carter was told he did not have clearance. Bush was in cintrol of the CIA.
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:30 pm to
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The Navy pilots can be heard trying to understand what they are seeing. “There’s a whole fleet of them,” one exclaims. Defense officials declined to release the location and date of the incident.


All debunked BS. Object was a freaking bird. Fleet = flock
High rate of speed but the f18 was catching up to it while banking.

Not buying their lies.
Posted by westide
Bamala
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:47 pm to
Birds don't show up on radar going thousands of miles per hour. Some people just do not want to face reality. They are scared shitless of what they don't understand and maybe for good reason.

The aliens could be coming from another dimension. If they want earth, they probably wouldn't have any problem exterminating us. They would be intelligent enough to know that we extend a large amount of resources in order to be able to kill other people. Also, it is legal to exterminate babies.

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