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Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:33 am to
Wouldn't alien life forms want to appear as peaceful?
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:33 am to
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Birds don't show up on radar going thousands of miles per hour. Some people just do not want to face reality. They are scared shitless of what they don't understand and maybe for good reason.


True birds don't go that fast... and neither did this "alien spacecraft". Unless of course f18's can fly 3000 mph!
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 3:14 am to
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Wouldn't alien life forms want to appear as peaceful?




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Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:26 pm to
Delonge comments
Will see...

Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/26/20 at 5:33 pm to
FOIA info on crash retrieval program
Project Moondust...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_jy751egLoY

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Rare Documents Disclose Hints of UFO Crash Retrievals

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0:00 Battelle, it can be done. 1:05 E.J. Center's flying saucer parts 1:47 Moon Dust and the 1127th 3:26 Canadian UFO crash files 6:17 Significance of "CIRVIS" 7:49 What the documents prove Why are UFO crash retrievals talked about in the UFO community as a hypothetical? We've put together a significant trail of declassified documents — all public but many obscure — that suggest we're far closer to the truth of UFO crash operations than most think. From Battelle, a little known metallurgy contractor for the US Air Force, to Project Moon Dust, a space debris retrieval operation, there are many hints the US Government got its hands on exotic technology.

But what's missing from this picture? Canada. While the USG denies any UFO crashes ever took place on its soil, Canada has already disclosed several — but they're rarely, if ever talked about due to the somewhat convoluted way Canadian archives are organized. Thanks to the efforts of Jason Carignan, National Chief Investigator for MUFON Canada, we have three different UFO crash reports, including two where metal was recovered.

One Moon Dust file even shows the the USAF wanted access to crash debris in Canada, which isn't surprising, given both countries' deep relationship with UFO investigations and reporting procedures known as CIRVIS.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/28/20 at 8:19 am to
NY Times authors interviewed:

https://outline.com/6yhF75

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Do We Believe in U.F.O.s? That’s the Wrong Question
JULY 28, 2020
Times Insider explains who we are and what we do, and delivers behind-the-scenes insights into how our journalism comes together.


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Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information. But the retrieved materials themselves, and any data about them, are completely off-limits to anyone without clearances and a need to know.

The Pentagon’s U.F.O. Program has been using unclassified slides like this to brief government officials on threats from Advanced Aerospace Vehicles — “including off-world” — and materials retrieved from crashes of unidentified phenomena. We were provided a series of unclassified slides showing that the program took this seriously enough to include it in numerous briefings. One slide says one of the program’s tasks was to “arrange for access to data/reports/materials from crash retrievals of A.A.V.’s,” or advanced aerospace vehicles. Our sources told us that “A.A.V.” does not refer to vehicles made in any country — not Russian or Chinese — but is used to mean technology in the realm of the truly unexplained. They also assure us that their briefings are based on facts, not belief.


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Posted on 7/28/20 at 8:25 am to
So the New York Crimes. Read a bunch of tweets, then sat down and watched "Independence Day"
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/28/20 at 8:26 am to
That's not what that says at all.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 10:02 pm to


Delonge hinting about ultraterrestrials (which we have went into in depth here)

They control things from the depths/shadows...
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:46 pm to
Good infographic outlining the possibilities:

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Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:13 pm to
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/512132-pentagon-launches-task-force-to-study-ufo-sightings

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August 14, 2020 - 07:49 PM EDT

Pentagon launches task force to study UFO sightings Pentagon launches task force to study UFO sightings

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The Pentagon announced Friday that it is launching a task force to study unidentified flying objects after reports of sightings from service members.

The Pentagon said in a statement that Deputy Defense Secretary David Norquist approved the establishment of an Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force (UAPTF), which will fall under the Navy. “The Department of Defense established the UAPTF to improve its understanding of, and gain insight into, the nature and origins of UAPs," the Pentagon said. "The mission of the task force is to detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that could potentially pose a threat to U.S. national security."

“The Department of Defense and the military departments take any incursions by unauthorized aircraft into our training ranges or designated airspace very seriously and examine each report. This includes examinations of incursions that are initially reported as UAP when the observer cannot immediately identify what he or she is observing.”
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Posted on 8/15/20 at 8:52 am to
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=I2eCFbRUHBE

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Expert Provides Insight into the "Exotic Material" Found in UFO Fragments |
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Director of Government Programs & Services for To The Stars Academy, Luis Elizondo, sits down to discuss UFOs on this week's Glenn TV "Friday Exclusive." Elizondo says governments like to sequester the truth until there's a solution. BUT, he says, when it comes to the confirmed UFO sightings in recent years, it may become a liability for government to keep a lid on it all for much longer.


https://www.ufojoe.net/partial-transcript-elizondo-on-glen-beck

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Partial Transcript: Beck Interviews Elizondo: UFO Crash Retrieval Question Still Trying To Be Answered
15 AUG , 2020


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Partial Transcript: Beck Interviews Elizondo: UFO Crash Retrieval Question Still Trying To Be Answered

15 AUG , 2020 ~~~ If you enjoy my articles and would like to support my work, here is my Patreon. URL: https://www.patreon.com/ufojoe ~~~ by Joe Murgia – @ufojoe11 on Twitter! Limited Transcript To watch the whole interview, you need to subscribe to The Glenn Beck Program Friday Exclusive: The Glenn Beck Program with Guest, Luis Elizondo

Glenn Beck Intro Excerpt: There’s something going on. I feel, and maybe this is just me, but I feel we’re being prepared to be introduced. “Hey everybody, we wanna introduce you to Harry the Martian!” There’s something going on and we are, according to the government, being visited or observed, a lot now. And we are observing them. And nobody ever asks the question, “What objects do we have?” * * *

Glenn Beck (GB): This came from the New York Times. They were talking to astrophysicist, Eric Davis. And he described, “retrieval from off-world vehicles not made on this earth.” Wait. What? Do we know about this? Do you know about this?

Luis Elizondo (LE): Uhh, I, I am are of, of, of these statements. Umm, that is precisely one of the questions we are trying to answer. You’re looking at unique, isotopic ratios that aren’t naturally found here on this planet. It doesn’t mean that they weren’t engineered by somebody. But they’re not found naturally in those ratios. So it’s a very fascinating… (Kudos to Glenn Beck because Elizondo changed the subject from alleged retrieval of off-world vehicles not made on this earth, back to the study of materials. Beck wouldn’t let it go. ~Joe)

GB: But there’s a difference between finding a hunk of metal in a field, and a retrieved, off-world vehicle. Isn’t there?

LE: Uhh, boy. I’m going to have to politely pass on that question. I think that’s a question that is still trying to be answered and I wanna give those people in positions of authority, the time to…time necessary to get the answer to their satisfaction. (Stay tuned and buckle up. And if you wanna know about Dr. Eric Davis, UFO crash retrievals and the secret government program that allegedly deals with that, check out Part 2 of my Mega-Blog. ~Joe)

GB: Okay. There’s a new declassified FBI document from the 1950s. And it mentions a fifty-foot in diameter flying saucer, or several, near Los Alamos. The sightings near nuclear facilities or ICBM sites goes on and on for decades. And you told me last time that we see increased activity now around ICBM sites and in specific, our military. Are other nations also…is China also experiencing this? Do we know? Have we talked to other large militaries around the world?

LE: We have every reason to believe that this is a global phenomenon and that there are other militaries and governmental institutions, not U.S., that are absolutely looking into this problem as well. They have every bit as reason to look into these issues as we do, from a national security perspective. Especially as it relates to strategic nuclear capabilities. Beck asked Elizondo about an article published in the Arizona Central, which covered an incident where drones, two feet across, with white and red lights, spotlights and the ability to “loiter” in the air for over an hour, were reportedly seen over a nuclear power plant two weeks ago on consecutive nights. Elizondo said it was “pretty strange” and that the flight time of a small drone is measured in minutes and not hours. He also said it wasn’t new as we have had many, many, many reports of “these types of things flying over our controlled airspace and particularly, over sensitive nuclear facilities.” If, due to stigma, we’re saying they’re drones instead of UFOs, Elizondo said it “prejudices the jury” later on when we try to figure out what it was. If it looked and felt like a drone, then that’s fine. Describe it like that. But if it looks more like a traditional UFO, it needs to be reported that way so the report is accurate. But more data is needed to come to any conclusions in this case. You can read the article here.

GB: A few weeks ago, the New York Times reported that the Pentagon was getting ready to make some private findings, public. Some of their UFO findings. Any idea what this might be? Is this a nothing burger? Any ideas?

LE: Mr. Beck, I think if we were to have this conversation just three years ago, you probably would kick me off of your show and ask me never to come back. Let’s look at how far we’ve come with the government in just three years: They have acknowledged that we had a UFO program called AATIP. They have acknowledged the fact that we have a program now called a UAP Task Force. They’ve acknowledged that Senators and senior leadership in our government are being briefed on a classified level. They have admitted that the videos are real. They have admitted that the videos depict Unidentified Flying Objects or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. And now they have just come forward with the announcement that you have none other than Deputy Secretary of Defense, [David] Norquist, who’s gonna be leading the charge on this new UAP Task Force. So, I think when you look at this, from a temporal perspective, we’ve come a long way in this conversation. I think we still have a long way to go. But you have been reporting on this for the past three years diligently and don’t look now but everything you have put out has been accurate and 100% correct when other media outlets did not wanna cover this.

GB: I know. Lue, my gut just tells me there’s something big that’s coming our way. I don’t know if it’s good or bad but there’s something big coming our way. Whether we know it as a government or not, we’re just in a different time than we ever have been. And it’s hard because this has been kookery for so long and I don’t think it is now. It science and it’s undeniable, but I want make sure that we cut through the crap and the conspiracy and actually get to the real science behind it and that’s why I appreciate you so much.

LE: You’re absolutely correct. There is a lot of charlatans and a lot of snake oil out there. It’s been relegated to the fringe for so long and there have been individuals to make a cottage industry out of it, peddling false narratives. And this is why it’s been, really a radioactive topic. It’s been something that from a political perspective and from a media perspective, nobody would ever wanna touch. And certainly, from a governmental perspective, the perspective I come from, it is something that would be a career killer. Beck, Glenn Beck, Luis Elizondo, Sap Task Force, TTSA, Uap, Ufo
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Posted on 8/15/20 at 9:36 am to
Ohio State (I think it was them) cranked out an anti-G about 10 years ago...
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Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:17 pm to
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZcKEAvx-Es

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Episode 10: The Inner World and its Occupants
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Themes:

-bigger forces are in play
-forces may not physical in nature (but can manifest in that manner if it choses to)
-forces can control human consciousness / perception

Campbell and Jung discussed
Jacque Vallee's work



Good new channel to follow
Paging beerjeep...
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 7:58 am to
Follow up to the post this is linked to

Great read:




EXOGENESIS AND THE SEEDING OF EARTH

Contrary to the popular notion that only creationism
relies on the supernatural, evolutionism must as well,
since the probabilities of random formation of life
are so tiny as to require a “miracle” for spontaneous
generation tantamount to a theological argument.

—PROFESSOR CHANDRA WICKRAMASINGHE,
astrobiologist

We previously encountered a global survey by Glocalities that investigated belief in alien life among 26,492 people from twenty-four countries. This survey found that 25 percent of respondents believed that the first form of life on Earth arrived here from another place in the universe.1

This is not so surprising when we consider biological life on our planet is posited to have emerged from geological and chemical processes, and yet we have no model for how that can happen. In 2013, academic researchers Maxim Makukov, PhD, and Vladimir Shcherbak, PhD, published “The ‘Wow! Signal’ of the Terrestrial Genetic Code.” The paper detailed evidence that the human genome contains genetic material designed by an advanced alien civilization. These two scientists should be well qualified to judge, having spent thirteen years working on the mapping of human DNA for the Human Genome Project. Makukov and Shcherbak discovered patterns in our DNA code suggestive of alien progenitors wanting to preserve a complex message. The scientific duo suspected that these aliens had created DNA to seed life on other planets. They also suspected that much of the 97 percent of noncoding sequences in human DNA included genetic code that could be associated with various alien life-forms.2

Following initial criticisms of their work, Makukov and Shcherbak conducted further investigations. This led to a second paper in which they determined that the structure of the genetic code is consistent with the hypothesis that an alien message has been encoded. Their view is that the structure of the encoding makes sense from a SETI perspective, as it includes the “zero-based positional notation, encoded in the direction from codons to amino acids” and “the notion of zero as a number in its own right, encoded explicitly in the opposite direction from amino acids to codons,” and their conclusion is that the observed findings are sufficient to be considered a message that can be read as “to whom it may concern, we were here.”3

—-

TPA comment: Hubristic term that drive me insane are “dark matter” and “junk DNA”. How about “Things we do not understand in part because we have limiting beliefs for $1000, Alex...”)


https://www.thehighersidechats.com/bruce-fenton-exogenesis-hybrid-humans-ancient-aliens-the-mothership/

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Bruce Fenton | Exogenesis: Hybrid Humans, Ancient Aliens, & The Mothership
July 25, 2020
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 8:12 am to
An interesting riff off of this is disguising advanced tech in simple, common structures to fool the population you are monitoring...

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/g1590/7-strange-ways-to-disguise-a-camera/



Fenton discusses special rocks /stones that some cultures possess/revere as examples
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Posted on 9/7/20 at 8:29 am to
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/05/are-aliens-hiding-in-plain-sight

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Are aliens hiding in plain sight? Several missions this year are seeking out life on the red planet. But would we recognise extraterrestrials if we found them?
Philip Ball Philip Ball Sat 5 Sep 2020 12.00 EDT


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But can any of these searches do their job properly unless we have a clear idea of what “life” is? Nasa’s unofficial working definition is “a self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution”. “Nasa needs a definition of life so it knows how to build detectors and what kinds of instruments to use on its missions,” says zoologist Arik Kershenbaum of the University of Cambridge.

But not everyone thinks it is using the right one. Astrobiologist Lynn Rothschild of Nasa’s Ames research centre in California sees a cautionary tale in AA Milne’s story from Winnie-the-Pooh, in which Pooh and Piglet hunt a Woozle without knowing what it looks like and mistake their own footprints for its tracks. “You can’t hunt for something if you have no idea what it is,” she says.


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Bartlett, working with astrobiologist Michael Wong of the University of Washington in Seattle, argues that we need to escape the straitjacket of Earth-based thinking about life. They propose introducing a broader category called “lyfe” (pronounced, in an oddly West Country fashion, as “loif”), of which life as we know it is just one variation. “Our proposal attempts to break free of some of the potential prejudices due to us being part of this one instantiation of lyfe,” says Bartlett. They suggest four criteria for lyfe:
1. It draws on energy sources in its environment that keep it from becoming uniform and unchanging.
2. It grows exponentially (for example by replication).
3. It can regulate itself to stay stable in a changing environment.
4. It learns and remembers information about that environment. Darwinian evolution is an example of such learning over very long timescales: genes preserve useful adaptations to particular circumstances.

The two researchers say there are “sublyfe” systems that only meet some of these criteria, and also perhaps “superlyfe” that meets additional ones: lyfe forms that have capabilities beyond ours and that might look on us as we do on complex but non-living processes such as crystal growth.


This point gets real interesting if you dig into the Bruce Fenton posts above

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“Our hope is that this definition frees our imaginations enough to not miss lyfe that might be hiding in plain sight,” says Bartlett. He and Wong suggest that some lyving organisms might use energy sources untapped here on Earth, such as magnetic fields or kinetic energy, the energy of motion. “There is no known life form that directly harnesses kinetic energy into its metabolism,” says Bartlett.

They say there might be other ways of storing information than in genetic strands like DNA. Scientists have, for example, already devised artificial ways to store and process information using two-dimensional arrays of synthetic molecules, like checkerboard arrays or abacuses. Bartlett says that the distinction between lyfe and non-lyfe might be hazy: being “alyve” might be a matter of degree. After all, scientists already argue about whether viruses qualify – although no one doubts their ability to wreak havoc with life.


Gets into the concept of “loosh”.

My addition:
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A term applied to energy produced by human beings and animals that other entities use to feed from. It is also used to refer to the energy that is produced by suffering that entities feed. From books by Robert Monroe. Maybe a play on the French word Louche.


Energy Vampires (think Stephen King’s It...)

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Another possibility for broadening our view of what life could be is that we become able to make living systems from scratch in the laboratory that are totally unlike any known. “We’re much closer to that than you might think,” Rothschild says. Indeed, it may have already happened and we didn’t recognise it, she adds, only half-jokingly.
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Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:48 pm to
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This means we had a half-mile-wide body made almost entirely from quartz crystal in orbit around the planet 780,000 years ago. I calculate the orbital position as being between the Antarctic and southern Australia. This peculiar body then exploded into pieces, with much of it transformed into liquid glass. The glass instantly cooled into spherules. As larger chunks of debris and smaller australite spheres moved into a decaying orbit, they heated. The smaller spheres began to melt and became oblate, exhibiting secondary melting before impact. These rained down almost directly below the point of initial explosion, arriving in southern Australia. Larger pieces of the parent body had not been liquified and transformed into glass. These pieces formed the bolide swarm and, as they broke up, the many other shapes of tektite, such as teardrops and dumbbells, exhibiting only a single period of melting. Those chunks that came closest to ground level before exploding gave rise to the strange Muong Nong layered tektite material in Southeast Asia.

In a peculiar twist to this story, there is some reason to suspect that fragments of the craft eventually ended up in one of the most important holy sites on our planet: Mecca. The most sacred place in the Islamic faith is the Kaaba at Mecca, and cemented into the eastern corner are seven or eight pieces of black stone. The surrounding silver casing strongly resembles a sacred yoni (vulva). It is known that these relics were already considered holy in pre-Islamic times. Correctly known as the Hajar al-Aswad (stone from paradise), the fragments of material included in the Kaaba have long been suspected to be tektites. Sadly, direct examination by scientists is not in the cards. The mythology of the black stone is a genesis story, which explains why they are in the eastern corner—this being the direction of the rising sun and therefore symbolic of birth. The pilgrim circles the Kaaba seven times, the number of readily visible stars in the Pleiades cluster. It is claimed that the stone was brought down to Earth by angels involved in the creation of the first humans, Adam and Eve. The material is said to have initially been pure white, only turning black after absorbing sins. The mothership was purportedly white before the explosion. Perhaps most intriguing of all is another telling of the mythology in which the black stone was once an angel placed in the Garden of Eden to watch over Adam. This reminds me once again of the black monolith standing amid the first humans in 2001: A Space Odyssey. The angel was punished for failing in its task by being transformed into a black jewel. God then gave the black stone the power of speech.19 Is it purely a coincidence that in Islamic tradition a strange black silicate material with cosmic origins has intelligence, can communicate, and is connected to human origins? Did an intelligence from within the stone tell someone this story?
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Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:46 am to
Sara Carter interview
Other than Tucker, this is one of the few conservative voices discussing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPh-loWC8Zs

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Luis Elizando: Did UFOs interfere with military assets?
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In another special on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, Sara speaks with Luis Elizando, who charged the Pentagon's investigation into UFOs. This time, Elizando goes into how UFOs may have made contact and even interfered with military assets. He also answers to whether alleged UFO abductions have ever happened.


They briefly touch on “ancient aliens”, ancient sighting by Roman soldier documented in the Vatican holdings (the “UFO” was following his legion...)
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Posted on 9/19/20 at 8:12 pm to
I am still trying to figure out the phenomenon

For those who favor spiritual / demonic...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6HgyodCx4

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UFO's, Aliens, Abductions and the Return of The Nephilim -
Chuck Missler 17,973 views 241 10 Share Save Report Max Bauer 5.17K subscribers SUBSCRIBE
Published on Dec 7, 2014

Chuck Missler links the modern day UFO phenomenon to the fallen angels and Nephilim of Genesis.



Consider this was posted in 2014
Pretty good listen overall
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