re: NY Times: Pentagon’s UFO Program - aerospace/esoteric/quantum mechanics/future

:jump1: I'm up for it. Bring it on, please.

Tucker Carlson piece 06/24/20

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_VDnC5NcuW4

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Senate Intel Committee votes to require the Pentagon to release report on UFOs

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Published on Jun 24, 2020

There seems to be no systematic sharing of UFO information between the Pentagon and intelligence services

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Mother should I trust the government...

Nice summary of official reports and the science behind them. I linked this vid in the past, but it was taken off the web for a while

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q72TK4Fpze0

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Hal Puthoff Presentation 06/08/2018
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Hal Puthoff Presentation 06/08/2018

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Delonge is working the ultraterrestrial angle...

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His full post, make of it what you will.

"People need to reconstruct their vision of what the Universe is. It’s not what you see, as that’s like saying your backyard is all that exists because it’s nighttime and you can’t see the forest in the distance. And what if there are multiple inter-connected and stacked frequencies that each have their own lifeforms that can hop in and out of our frequency? And what if we are souls that come from the top of that food chain and exist down here at the bottom(ish) only so we can “learn” and “evolve” toward love while in a physical body with limits, pain and sacrifice? Were we created to forget where we are from so we can live in an unbiased way and make free choices? But- what if certain visitors from a different frequency don’t have souls themselves, and they envy us? Here’s a book that is interesting."

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Will be bumping this thread with some helpful links as for those just getting into this thread



The most interesting interval development is below. It is is weird territory, but touches on many of the topics discussed here.

Background: Elizondo and Delonge did a Reddit AMA. Links are below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/hnaqyz/a_strange_answer_in_todays_delongeelizondo_ama/

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A Strange Answer in Today's Delonge/Elizondo AMA

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In response to the question:

"What is your absolute favourite UFO/alien-related story?"

Elizondo writes:

"LUE: If I could share one anecdotal story of the phenomena I direct peoples attention to a collection of short stories to a novella called "Chains Of The Sea." In the second short story the author discusses the day UFOs arrived, from a science fiction perspective. Butn the way the short story describes the phenomena is very similar to people in real life that have described the phenomena, personal experiences. While I'm not endorsing this story as being truthful or accurate, I think it provides a fundamentally different perspective and it forces us to think about this phenomena in a different way. Though the book was written in the early 70s, the author had an incredible insight into modern day life and was able to incorporate aspects of artificial intelligent and geopolitical situations that we have today. So if anyone wanted a new perspective of the phenomena in an entertaining way, I would direct them to 'Chains Of The Sea.'"

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And "Chains of the Sea" by Gardner Dozois is horrifying.

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One day a bizarre menagerie of aliens land on earth, but ignore humanity. Instead they're in contact with the real planetary authorities: multiple species of ultraterrestrials who live on earth in a complementary reality hidden from most of humanity. Together, the aliens, the ultraterrestrials, and humanity's own AI constructs decide to wipe humans off the face of the planet. The main character--a school age boy--is one of the only humans that can perceive these ultraterrestrials. As such, they warn him that at any moment humanity will be destroyed. So he's prescribed sedatives.

The end.

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https://medium.com/@adam.kehoe/chains-of-the-sea-the-1973-science-fiction-novella-influencing-ttsa-2c5eb9903c07

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“Chains of the Sea”: The 1973 Science Fiction Novella Influencing TTSA

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The titular story in the collection “Chains of the Sea” is by Gardner R. Dozois, a celebrated science fiction editor. The story, to put it mildly, is complex.
It is a sort of double first contact story that centers around the arrival of alien ships, as well as a parallel but hidden intelligence on earth. Unlike most contact stories, there are at least four groups of sentient beings:

Humans.
A complex ecosystem of “Other People,” who exist mostly in parallel with humans. A very small number of humans are able to communicate with the “Other People.”
Artificial intelligence systems of varying degrees of complexity and autonomy.
Aliens who have more in common with the “Other People” and AI than they do human beings.

In brief, the plot focuses on a series of interactions with both aliens and “Other People” that decentralizes the agency and importance of human beings. As the alien objects land, humans quickly go through phases of reflexive secrecy, bewilderment, and eventually violence. As these events unfold, a dispassionate network of AI systems remain several steps ahead of their human counterparts.
The violence provoked by the arrival of the beings is spasmodic; a warhead is fired on one of the objects in the United States, to little effect. In Venezuela, the arrival of the aliens sparks a cascade of chaotic revolutions. The violence between humans and against the alien objects culminate in the use of a mysterious weapon of mass destruction by the aliens.

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The connection between AI and the “Other People” is treated in less detail. The “Dogs” above are a reference to the AI systems, who are viewed as figures of pity and near disgust by the aliens. Dozois writes that the AI at least suspected the presence of the “Other People” due to unexplained, “wild data”:

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I found that reference to be very, very interesting (as it relates to Pink Floyd lyrics/symbolism and their relationship to science writer Douglas Adams, author of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)

Listen to "Dogs", "Dog of War", and "Sheep" with this as background...

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There is an obvious pressing question:

Why does a former government official find this story to be “very similar” to “real life” experiences? Exactly what part?

Elizondo is clear that the story is not intended to be taken literally; he explicitly says not to regard it as “ truthful or accurate.” So what is he pointing the public to? Here are a few options:

The idea that UAP are not entirely “nuts and bolts” and may represent a yet stranger phenomena.
The idea that there is a “transmutative” or polymorphic aspect to alleged beings. The concept of time dilation has been a staple of “experiencer” accounts for decades.
The idea that advanced intelligence already exists on earth; the supposed “ultraterrestrial” hypothesis, reminiscent to what researchers like Jacques Vallée have explored in works like Passport to Magonia.
The radical decentralizing of human agency and significance in interactions with possible beings.
The concept that there may be a “multiparty” aspect to these encounters, with humanity as a minor player.

All of these are profoundly strange ideas. Coming from an experienced intelligence professional with specific background in the serious study of UAP, they are downright shocking. Though these ideas may be familiar to longtime observers of science fiction and UFOlogy, they are decidedly out of the mainstream.

One imagines that Elizondo, aware that this issue is often laden with speculation and ungrounded claims, would be careful with what kinds of ideas he recommends. He gives every impression of being a thoughtful, deliberate man. So why is he pointing the public to some of the strangest and most difficult concepts surrounding this issue? And why now, as a deadly serious body like the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence commits to an exploration of UAP?

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ThinePreparedAni

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wait, you’re a female?

TPA , any cliffs from tonight’s UAP episodes from us guys who’s still at work ?