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re: NPR comes to the realization that Civil War is indeed a possibility

Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:18 am to
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:18 am to
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"We already are seeing 'border war' with individual states passing major legislation that differs considerably from that in other places," says Darrell West, director of governance studies at the Brookings Institution, and William Gale, a Brookings senior fellow in economic studies,


So it hasn't been an issue when CA doing this for decades, and eventually forcing stuff on the rest of the nation? This people live in a bubble that needs to be popped.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20659 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:21 am to
No doubt a reasonable suggestion.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:29 am to
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An amicable separation would be more feasible but I fear the authoritarian establishment will never let the two "sides" peacefully divide.

What does this even mean?

I stand by the Flag. If my state somehow decides to secede from the United States of America, how is forcing me from my home in any way "amicable"?

Keep in mind, more people voted for Trump in California than Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina combined. How do you see them living amicably in a supposed socialist California?

This isn't 1861 anymore.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112426 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:32 am to
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A scholar of international law, Walter adds: "The U.S. used to be considered a full democracy like Norway, Switzerland or Iceland," she said


Well then, a LOT of people were fricking wrong
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:34 am to
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Today's toxic atmosphere makes it difficult to negotiate on important issues, which makes people angry with the federal government and has helped create a winner-take-all approach to politics.
like they are trying to ram down the country's throat with:

filibuster end
supreme court packing
gun control
[see Jim Jordans list presented in the house last week]

which are their "extraordinary means". Progs are nothing if not SEVERELY DISHONEST.

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Walter adds: "The U.S. used to be considered a full democracy like Norway, Switzerland or Iceland," she said, "and it's now considered a partial democracy like Ecuador, Somalia or Haiti."
see "SEVERELY DISHONEST" above. What has made the USA distinctly American is its republicanism - by which MOB CONTROL and MOB VIOLENCE like the progs have perpetrated from 2016 to present - are unable to control the significant majority.

STEALING THE 2020 ELECTION, as was UNDOUBTEDLY DONE, is the outward expression of their totalitarian intention. It is the reason that free Americans are standing against them.

Further evidence of their governmental adventurism is the weaponization of government that has been taking place since the first term of Frank Marshall Davis' son, one Barak Hussein Obama.

You knew something was not right when Lois Lerner got away with her crimes then slinked off into 6 figure retirement untouched. The resistance was strirred then when Americans noticed the IRS became a weapon.

Then more and more apparent as Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Comey, the shenanigans of Russiagate, the pervasive spying and interference on the Trump administration, the media/propagandist complex that has connected itself to communists like the Democrat Party.

and ah, that media, there is a complete industry committed to treachery and to freedom everywhere in this world.

"Suggesting an explosive conclusion while tacitly acknowledging the absence of verified evidence to support it was also a hallmark of the Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee reports on Russiagate, which used long-winded innuendo and words like “appear," "likely" and “suggest” to insinuate damning conclusions without having to substantiate them."

Attempts to imply that the two sides are in any way equally aggressive or to be equally blamed are brought to you by mass formation Psychoses. There is no comparison - Progs are enemies of the USA.
Posted by AussieRock
Member since Jan 2022
329 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:35 am to
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What does this even mean?

It means amicable.

Not buddy buddy, amicable.

Yes. It would probably mean that over some measure of time, people would find that they desire to move, which should be facilitated.

Also, I don't really think that when it finally happens, it will follow state borders perfectly. But, still, to your point, there will be "refugees".

That still beats a shooting conflict. The problem though is this. Areas that became conservative would be totally fine with having leftist neighbors and with continuing to act as generally cordial nations. We'd be happy to do business, happy to trade, happy to allow travel.

Alas, you know as well as I do that the liberal areas would do no such fricking thing.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4921 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:35 am to
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Their candidate lost the election and democracy declines as a result? Such drama queens, but sadly the sheeple believe this ridiculous talking point.




Exactly.. their truly believe that anytime a Democrat candidate loses that it is illegitimate.
Posted by AussieRock
Member since Jan 2022
329 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:36 am to
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A scholar of international law, Walter adds: "The U.S. used to be considered a full democracy like Norway, Switzerland or Iceland," she said


Well then, a LOT of people were fricking wrong


What the frick kind of "scholar" could even think the US was a "full democracy"?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:54 am to
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people would find that they desire to move, which should be facilitated.

It's fantasies like this that make people like you so dangerous to our country.

There is nothing amicable in forcing me from my home in order for me to maintain my citizenship.

The Flag:



...doesn't represent the military. It doesn't even represent the Constitution. The Flag represents The UNION. You want to dissolve the Union, you disrespect the flag. I can't abide hypocrites that would claim to be patriots on the one hand, and on the other hand force "good people who only [ask] to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. "

I would fight ANY effort to dissolve the Union. Take your treasonous bullshite and shove it up your arse.
Posted by WizardSleeve
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2011
1897 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:57 am to
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When this war actually starts it won’t take long for these dickheads to realize they’ve made a terrible mistake. They have been pushing and pushing for years and the right has just taken it but when they finally provoke the response they are looking for it they will sue for ceasefire and truce.


This is why the final step prior to the cold civil war turning hot will be an attempt to remove guns from society. There will be calls for the disarming of the population because there are "violent right wing extremists" who wish to "do harm to the democracy". Basically what every totalitarian state has always done in the history of totalitarianism.

Posted by AussieRock
Member since Jan 2022
329 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:00 am to
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It's fantasies like this that make people like you so dangerous to our country.

You act like nations have never broken up before. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people choosing to go their own way.

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The Flag:

Stands for a nation that no longer exists and no offense, but basically no one on your side even likes that nation.

Regardless, even the founders of our nation recognized that peoples can grow apart. Frankly, it's your typical of the left desire to maintain hold that is the kinda of thing the founders sought to avoid.
Posted by AussieRock
Member since Jan 2022
329 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:03 am to
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The Flag represents The UNION.
The former union.

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You want to dissolve the Union,
It's already dissolved and, it's dissolved by people like you so I'm not sure why you're so pissy about it.

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I can't abide hypocrites that would claim to be patriots on the one hand
I didn't.

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and on the other hand force "good people who only [ask] to live in peace at their old homes
the rest of us would also like to live in peace
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under the Government of their inheritance.
Alas, you'd prefer to not let us
Posted by AussieRock
Member since Jan 2022
329 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:04 am to
The bottom line is that you are confusing geography with what the flag stands for.

The flag doesn't stand for the union of 50 locations. It stands for PRINCIPLES that those 50 locations all decided they wanted to be a part of.

If, somehow, the nation turned full Marxist, the flag wouldn't stand for that at all.............even if all 50 states remained.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:05 am to
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I would fight ANY effort to dissolve the Union. Take your treasonous bull shite and shove it up your arse.
Yeah?

Then you will need to fight the most treasonous force in the last 150 years - the ELECTION THIEVING, COMSTITUTION SHREDDING DEMOCRAT PARTY, todays insurectionists
Posted by AussieRock
Member since Jan 2022
329 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:07 am to
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I would fight ANY effort to dissolve the Union. Take your treasonous bull shite and shove it up your arse.
Yeah?
he seems to think the "union" part is the most important and not the WHY of the union.

It's honestly kind of sad.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:08 am to
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You act like nations have never broken up before.

I'm not acting like anything, I'm telling you I won't have anything to do with sedition. If you don't like this nation, you're free to leave YOUR home and go find somewhere else to try a new government.
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no one on your side even likes that nation.

WTF are you even talking about, "your side"? My side is literally the side of the PATRIOTS. Your side is that of seditious traitors. Those are the sides.
Posted by AussieRock
Member since Jan 2022
329 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:17 am to
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If you don't like this nation, you're free to leave YOUR home and go find somewhere else to try a new government.
Perhaps you lefties should have taken that advice about 100 years ago.

You didn't. That isn't my fault.

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My side is literally the side of the PATRIOTS
Patriots to what? Certainly not the ideas this nation was founded upon. The United States isn't a location dumb arse.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:18 am to
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It's already dissolved

Look at this fricking double-speak.

There's someone ITT getting upvotes for mocking the article for saying it's in decline:
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we had been watching "American democracy decline since 2016."
Their candidate lost the election and democracy declines as a result? Such drama queens, but sadly the sheeple believe this ridiculous talking point.

Now you say it's already dissolved. Sheeple believing ridiculous talking points, indeed.
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people like you

Who am I? What do you think I believe in, and what has led you to think that?
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you're so pissy about it.

So now patriotism is simply labeled as being "pissy".
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you'd prefer to not let us

More double-speak. You want to dissolve the Union and accuse others of dissolving the Union. You're a fraud.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26011 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:19 am to
It's what they want. They're promoting it, not just reporting on it.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:20 am to
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If, somehow, the nation turned full Marxist, the flag wouldn't stand for that at all

Of course it would, as long as it was done in a lawful, Constitutional manner. Make no mistake, I wouldn't vote for it.
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