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re: No income taxes. What would that look like?

Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:02 pm to
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You're under the impression we'd tariff domestic goods?
If domestic good can be produce price competitive to imports, why aren’t we doing it now?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:06 pm to
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And everything would be more expensive.
Affordability is the functional issue. If take-home pay increases 20% and the price of goods increases 20%, affordability does not shift.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:07 pm to
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The Congress shall have Power

Civic lesson incoming...

Who
makes
up
the

Congress?

Eta: Who constitutes, if you will?

This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 1:10 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:08 pm to
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If domestic good can be produce price competitive to imports, why aren’t we doing it now?
They can't. We don't allow Nikes to be manufactured with Uyghur slave labor here. Tariffs would level the difference.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:09 pm to
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That would be an incorrect assumption. The trade deficit in preponderance reflects manufacturing cost differential, not raw materials. However, if raw materials were not available domestically, they'd not be tariffed. Otherwise the domestic-shift premice would hold.
The two biggest differential cost inputs comparitevly are labor and regulation compliance. So are you planning on a drastic decrease in the cost of labor or wide repeal of regulation? Neither seem likely to me. And if it’s the first… what’s the point?
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:09 pm to
About 20K more a year in my bank account.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:10 pm to
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Productivity is not the sole component of GDP.
What does the “P” stand for?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:10 pm to
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are you planning on a drastic decrease in the cost of labor
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Not relative to tariffed imports.
Cool. But I only care about real (not nominal) dollar value and wealth. I’m not interests in economically destroying other countries only to make myself poorer. Maybe we have different goals?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Affordability is the functional issue. If take-home pay increases 20% and the price of goods increases 20%, affordability does not shift.
Yep. Just like if we break the bakers windows, the glazier will be able to buy more bread and we’ll all be better off!
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:16 pm to
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They can't. We don't allow Nikes to be manufactured with Uyghur slave labor here. Tariffs would level the difference.
How would it “level the difference”?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:17 pm to
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are you planning on a drastic decrease in the cost of labor


what are you confused about?
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:17 pm to
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However, if raw materials were not available domestically, they'd not be tariffed. Otherwise the domestic-shift premice would hold.

Honest question, do you think all raw materials or components we use in our manufacturing and assembly processes are going to be based in US?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:18 pm to
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What does the “P” stand for?
Silly.
GDP (nominal) is calculated at current market prices, without adjusting for inflation. So, for example, when prices rise due to inflation, GDP also increases because goods and services are more expensive. For example, if inflation is high, nominal GDP may rise even if the actual output of goods and services doesn't change much.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:20 pm to
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Honest question, do you think all raw materials or components we use in our manufacturing and assembly processes are going to be based in US?
Tariffs are not imposed on goods, materials, services unavailable domestically.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:21 pm to
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what are you confused about?
The sudden and irrelevant injection of decreased labor costs
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:24 pm to
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How would it “level the difference”?
By differentially increasing the prices of slave labor manufactured products.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:26 pm to
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GDP (nominal) is calculated at current market prices, without adjusting for inflation.
Theres the problem. But you cannot use nominal GDP to compare over time, nor with other currencies. This it’s unusable as a measure of wealth over time.

As I said….
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But I only care about real (not nominal) dollar value and wealth
If you only care about nominal GDP, why not just print tons of money and weaken your currency to make imports more expensive?
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:26 pm to
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Tariffs are not imposed on goods, materials, services unavailable domestically.
Now do cost of labor
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 1:28 pm to
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The sudden and irrelevant injection of decreased labor costs
Huh? I thought you were trying to equalize costs via tariffs. Labor is a huge cost—that you cannot tariff against. Sorry Ididnt explicitly spell that out.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 1:29 pm
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