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Posted by Narax
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 11:17 am to
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Nope. You’re attributing positions to me that I have not taken and arguments I have not made.

I never argued that a man who killed his own child is a “victim,” nor that he shouldn’t face the full weight of divine, natural, or civil law.


No, THE man you knew with the baby. Thats your ancedote.

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It’s an argument about fallible human administration of law, which even the framers assumed.

Is your point that it is usually just and there are occasional cases of injustice, or that injustice is so common that the whole system is unjust.

You seem to think that immigration law as a whole is unjust, though very clearly you have shown that its not unjust, just against your preferences.

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repeated mind-reading, psychoanalysis, or imputations of motive.

You say so many things and shift so often with so little basis that you invite questions of what you actually believe.
You knew so little about scholasticism, and drew rather humanist conclusions that are not original, yet went all in on it. Remember you brought dignity into it and then tried to underpin it as historically Catholic.
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I come across differently to different people. I understand you think my tone reads as dismissive. That isn’t my intent

I think I misstated that I really dont see you as rude, I see you as someone who really believes that they are right and gets frustrated when others dont see it that way.

Or bluntly no different than 5 point Calvinists when they debate others who don't share their worldview.

I rather see myself as rude in fact, while I prefer thinking of my actions as blunt, they are also rude.

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No. I’ve never read The Color of Money. You must mean The Color of the Law.

It was a while ago and I'm quite sure that thread got canned. Its a good book and worth a full read.

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I attempted to engage in your theological arguments but it didn’t feel cohesive in this thread.

Arguments for the sake of artificial statements make no sense.
An argument no one beleives is not wise, or useful.
My question is specifically do you fully believe your own argument.
There is irony here because nothing you have said is cohesive, I've pointed out again and again how you have started from the end and said things you didn't understand to support your views.
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One certainly can critique bias in modern American governance without analyzing biblical forms of justice.

Only if one can define human dignity without God, and actually believe it. You brought dignity into it, you went down that path.
As you yourself said without absolute truth it all boils down to preference.
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My claim is narrower and hasn’t changed. There is bias at every layer of the American justice system because humans, with unequal power and resources, operate it. That claim does not require rejecting law, theology, or moral standards.


Agreed, your call to morality was baseless.

Now how do you define bias, why is it wrong, how is our system incorrect, humans will always have various levels of power, we should embrace those facts. And we do as a nation via democracy.
And we have made a choice that is correct for us.

There is nothing wrong with our judicial system and nothing wrong with people having different levels of power.

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I’ve even provided examples of bias.

There is nothing wrong with bias.
Im biased against baby killers.
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The “ivory tower” line and the speculation about my husband’s or family’s wealth are especially telling. Those are not arguments. I’m not responding to them because there’s nothing there to respond to.

Its quite telling, you cannot accept the criticism that your views come from a place of extreme privilege.
You rant about privilege, but isnt yours higher than those you rant at?
Isn't that hypocrisy to the max?

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To constantly be told I’m some smug, arrogant out-of-touch a-hole here just doesn’t align with my reality.

You know both are true, one can look at reddit as an example.
Nice people let their Id fly loose because they are not face to face with others.
It is how humans work.

You dont want to accept anything I say because it messes with yourself image.

But I dont say any of this mean spirited.
Bluntly, rudely, yes.

But I do think you want to make better arguments, so I am giving constructive criticism.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 11:18 am to
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Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 11:33 am to
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I should know better.


You should know better than to continue to believe that Trayvon martin and Sandra bland were murdered by police officers.



Are you ready to admit you were wrong yet babycakes? Sweetums? Sweetie pie? Cupcake? Baby boo?


All you have to do is say you were wrong.

I’ve been wrong. It’s not a bad thing to be wrong. It’s really the only way to grow as a human. You are wrong. You admit you were wrong. You admit the truth. You grow as a human.




Or you continue to believe your asinine beliefs and continue to ignore a very very very very simple truth.
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 11:34 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61469 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:18 pm to
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No, THE man you knew with the baby. Thats your ancedote.


Ah. You're demonstrating the bias you spent multiple posts arguing doesn't exist. He hasn't been convicted of anything.

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Is your point that it is usually just and there are occasional cases of injustice, or that injustice is so common that the whole system is unjust.


I’ve repeatedly said the system is legitimate in principle, but imperfect in practice because humans with unequal power and motives administer it.

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You seem to think that immigration law as a whole is unjust, though very clearly you have shown that its not unjust, just against your preferences.

Another misrepresentation. Criticizing enforcement tactics and quotas (as I said) is not merely disagreeing with preference; it’s pointing out legitimate policy and enforcement concerns.

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Now how do you define bias, why is it wrong, how is our system incorrect, humans will always have various levels of power, we should embrace those facts. And we do as a nation via democracy.

And we have made a choice that is correct for us.

It is not correct for the people who suffer because of bias against them.

Personal bias results in institutional bias in enforcement and outcomes which by definition contradicts any notion of justice. Justice leaves no room for preference.

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Its quite telling, you cannot accept the criticism that your views come from a place of extreme privilege.
You rant about privilege, but isnt yours higher than those you rant at?
Isn't that hypocrisy to the max?

How did you draw this conclusion about my alleged "extreme privilege"?

You invented a cushy backstory for me in attempt to dismiss my legitimate points. Growing up with extreme privilege wouldn't prevent someone from observing bias in our justice system anyway.

For the record, I was born to two profoundly unstable parents who divorced and have lived across the country from each other since I was a toddler. I learned from an early age that no one owes me anything and it is foolish to depend on anyone for anything at all. I have worked since I was 15 and have a difficult time allowing anyone to do anything for me, which is probably why I don't confuse resilience with justice. I am skeptical of everyone because I have been let down by so many people so many times across my entire life. And, no, I don't think I'm special because of it.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:36 pm to
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Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:58 pm to
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Ah. You're demonstrating the bias you spent multiple posts arguing doesn't exist. He hasn't been convicted of anything.

So he killed his kid and hasn't been convicted of anything? So like OJ?

I mean you asked for any anecdotes you use, and I replied.

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I’ve repeatedly said the system is legitimate in principle, but imperfect in practice because humans with unequal power and motives administer it.

Wait imperfect? So your demand is for a perfect system where everyone has the same power?
Why would such a system be more just than a system that acknowledges differences in accomplishment, natural talent and good behaviors?

If anything your proposed system actively and unjustly oppresses those who work harder.

Would you make them pay more in fines, just because they worked harder?

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Another misrepresentation. Criticizing enforcement tactics and quotas (as I said) is not merely disagreeing with preference; it’s pointing out legitimate policy and enforcement concerns.

We have a issue where many people are ignoring immigration law, is it more just to enforce the law, or to ignore the law? Again this comes down to what you prefer, not any native sense of justice.

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It is not correct for the people who suffer because of bias against them.

Do you know that the common good acknowledges that it is not commonly good for all, that is an impossibility.
Are not the immoral and criminals biased against the common good in the same way law is biased against criminals?
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Actions are indeed concerned with particular matters: but those particular matters are referable to the common good, not as to a common genus or species, but as to a common final cause, according as the common good is said to be the common end


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Personal bias results in institutional bias in enforcement and outcomes which by definition contradicts any notion of justice. Justice leaves no room for preference.

You would rather have some groups avoid the penalty of law but not others, the poor to avoid when the rich pay, is that justice?
Laws you disagree with like immigration you prefer to be unenforced, but others you prefer to be enforced.

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How did you draw this conclusion about my alleged "extreme privilege"?

I mean in all seriousness the bragfest of paying $40 an hour to someone who isn't showing up to work, much less vastly more than the going rate of housekeeping services...
To note that $40 is more than the median person makes.($28.16 an hour)
It's rather unkind to say to anyone that you pay your help more than they make, much less use it as a political argument when you are so invested in the term privilege.
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For the record, I was born to two profoundly unstable parents who divorced and have lived across the country from each other since I was a toddler. I learned from an early age that no one owes me anything and it is foolish to depend on anyone for anything at all. I have worked since I was 15 and have a difficult time allowing anyone to do anything for me, which is probably why I don't confuse resilience with justice. I am skeptical of everyone because I have been let down by so many people so many times across my entire life. And, no, I don't think I'm special because of it.

To note, you speak of not being paid a lot at work, working jobs that are rather low on Govt wage scales, yet owning a home in a city with a visiting maid who is paid $40 an hour.
There is a lack of consistency across much of what you say.

Some may say oh it's all lies, but that is not true, I don't think someone who is just making up stories en masse would be so invested in each one.
I don't think you are dumb, or indeed uneducated.

Hence the attempt to understand why all these data points present so inconsistently.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61469 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:34 am to
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So he killed his kid and hasn't been convicted of anything? So like OJ?
We don’t know if he killed the baby. OJ didn’t bring his victims to the hospital so no, not OJ. The young man also hasn’t been tried yet.

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I mean you asked for any anecdotes you use, and I replied.
Not in good faith, imo.

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Wait imperfect? So your demand is for a perfect system where everyone has the same power
If we want a just system, yes.

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If anything your proposed system actively and unjustly oppresses those who work harder.
How? Was Casey Anthony found not guilty because she’s a hard worker? Or because her parents paid for top notch defense lawyers?

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You would rather have some groups avoid the penalty of law but not others, the poor to avoid when the rich pay,
Nope.

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I mean in all seriousness the bragfest of paying $40 an hour to someone who isn't showing up to work, much less vastly more than the going rate of housekeeping services...


Ooooh, gotcha. As much as I’d love to be able to pay her to be here 40 hours a week, she only comes for 3-4 hours once a week. While it’s certainly a valued luxury, her services don’t cost more than a couple hundred dollars per visit, and usually less than that. I think we pay her a pretty standard rate for cleaning services, anyway. I didn’t come up with the rate out of nowhere — it’s a few dollars more than her standard rate was when she started with us 5 years ago.

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It's rather unkind to say to anyone that you pay your help more than they make, much less use it as a political argument when you are so invested in the term privilege.

Am I really being lectured on being unkind to others here? For responding to a hateful post with an assumption of jealousy?
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:39 am to
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Am I really being lectured on being unkind to others here? For responding to a hateful post with an assumption of jealousy?


Jesus did not have it as rough as you. What a terrible burden!
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 8:39 am to
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We don’t know if he killed the baby. OJ didn’t bring his victims to the hospital so no, not OJ. The young man also hasn’t been tried yet.


Will you trust the verdict of the jury?

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Not in good faith, imo.


You'd be wrong. Just because it's a good example doesn't mean it was in bad faith.
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If we want a just system, yes.


So you will criticize all non perfect systems knowing that a perfect system cannot be attained, much less agreed on.

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How? Was Casey Anthony found not guilty because she’s a hard worker? Or because her parents paid for top notch defense lawyers?

... her lawyer took the case pro bono, her parents had no money. Her lawyer, Jose Baez was a 9th grade dropout who later served in the Navy... he also has an extremely intelligent mind.
I mean thats what you want right, good lawyers defending those without enough to afford a good legal team.
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Ooooh, gotcha. As much as I’d love to be able to pay her to be here 40 hours a week, she only comes for 3-4 hours once a week. While it’s certainly a valued luxury, her services don’t cost more than a couple hundred dollars per visit, and usually less than that. I think we pay her a pretty standard rate for cleaning services, anyway. I didn’t come up with the rate out of nowhere — it’s a few dollars more than her standard rate was when she started with us 5 years ago.

So again about the inconsistencies, 4 hours times $40 will never equal a couple hundred.
Many people cannot afford a couple hundred a week on such a luxury, and the going rate for house cleaning services of that type...
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As of January 2026, the average starting cost of house cleaning services in New Orleans, LA is $19.55 per hour


I don't think you can see how strange your entire statement is.

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Am I really being lectured on being unkind to others here? For responding to a hateful post with an assumption of jealousy?

I think its hypocrisy that is the major problem, no one else here is so obsessed with privilege and equity, its almost like your personal wealth and privileges blind you to the world.

So I continue to ask, how can someone be so inconsistent in their behavior and views.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 8:41 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61469 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 8:50 am to
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one else here is so obsessed with privilege and equity, its almost like your personal wealth and privileges blind you to the world.


I’m pursuing a terminal degree in Justice Studies. Why would it be surprising that I’m interested in justice and equity?

How could my own privilege simultaneously blind me to justice and make me obsessed with it? It can’t do both. Pick one.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:20 am to
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I’m pursuing a terminal degree in Justice Studies. Why would it be surprising that I’m interested in justice and equity?

No thats been half my point about how you cant understand the world you live in because you are so immersed in an artificial ivory tower conversation, shared assumptions and theoretical frameworks that are fundamentally far removed from actual common good.
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An ivory tower is a state of privileged seclusion from the practicalities of real life. An ivory tower can be a place where people choose to disconnect from the rest of the world to follow their own interests, usually mental or esoteric ones. From the 19th century, it has been used to designate an environment of intellectual pursuit disconnected from the practical concerns of everyday life. The term is often used now to refer to academia or the college and university systems.


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How could my own privilege simultaneously blind me to justice and make me obsessed with it? It can’t do both. Pick one.

It often does both. Do you know what blinders are for a horse?
When someone over obsesses over something, they stop seeing alternate views, they get obsessed with some imaginary end state.

I mean just here, you strongly believed that Casey Anthony's parents paid for top lawyers.

You believe the justice system to be fundamentally flawed because it is not God like perfect.

No piece of software is perfect, but you do the best you can and update it when needed.

Never let perfect be the enemy of good.
There is so much good our justice system does, the extremely vast majority of people incarcerated were justly tried.
Exonerations are less then 1 in 10,000 convictions.

A number of these ivory tower "justice" advocates are concerned about one thing.

Driving political dominance by the left, advancing partisan narratives under the guise of legal or moral analysis.

They make people so concerned about the few failures (that we continue to fix), that those people are willing to dedicate their vote and their life to stopping any flavor of Republican, and most moderate Democrats.
They succeeded with you haven't they?
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 9:24 am
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38465 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:24 am to
Ask the little coward if her opinion has changed in regards to Trayvon martin and Sandra bland.

It’s so telling how she continues to ignore such a simple correction.



Hey babycakes. It’s okay to admit you were wrong.

A grown woman knows how to admit when she’s wrong.

Little baby children stomp their feet and dig in their heels and refuse to admit when they are wrong.

Why are you an emotional little child who refuses to admit you were wrong?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38465 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:32 am to
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How could my own privilege simultaneously blind me to justice and make me obsessed with it? It can’t do both. Pick one.


Well…..

I mean…….


You continue to believe (incorrectly) that Trayvon martin and Sandra bland were murdered by police….

Something that is well…. Patently wrong. Your obsession with “justice” means you fail to see how either situation was self inflicted and the fault of the deceased. You continue to pass blame onto people that are verifiably innocent.

You seek “justice” against those that are proven innocent because your emotional and irrational belief system completely blinds you to reality and you are convinced that the illusions and hypotheticals you come up with are reality.


You are, quite literally, insane in the membrane.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61469 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 12:22 pm to
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No thats been half my point about how you cant understand the world you live in because you are so immersed in an artificial ivory tower conversation, shared assumptions and theoretical frameworks that are fundamentally far removed from actual common good.



In other words, you’re continuing to speculate about me to prop up negative assumptions. Studying something does not remove a person from reality. My studies don’t alter the penal system or the people I interact with every day. I live in this country, work within its institutions, and raise a family I deeply care about. None of that disappears because I read or think critically.

I suspect that many posters here, including you, have very limited contact with people who don’t look, sound, or live like you, and that distance makes it easier to accept government narratives without question. It’s striking that you lecture me about questioning my conclusions while refusing to question your own assumptions about enforcement, power, and outcomes.

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I mean just here, you strongly believed that Casey Anthony's parents paid for top lawyers.



I don't “strongly believe” her parents paid for top lawyers. I cited her as a widely known example of a privileged defendant avoiding conviction. I don’t recall the specifics of her defense funding, and you may be right that parts of it were volunteer.

You want to use that as proof that no bias exists in our criminal justice system. Or that the bias that does exist is acceptable because you believe it's unavoidable. And you want call that justice. Not a very high bar, is it?

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You believe the justice system to be fundamentally flawed because it is not God like perfect.



I’ve said repeatedly that the justice system is flawed and biased because it is administered by humans who are self-interested, imperfect, and are susceptible to manipulation and influence. That is not the same as saying the system must be God-like perfect to be legitimate. That’s a strawman. The framers built safeguards precisely because they expected bias, not because they believed humans could transcend it.

What you seem to be arguing is that the thousands of people who write, enforce, and prosecute laws operate in some near-robotic objectivity, unaffected by incentives, pressure, or power.

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Driving political dominance by the left, advancing partisan narratives under the guise of legal or moral analysis.


Genuine concern about injustice does not automatically translate into partisan loyalty. That’s another shortcut you keep taking. Criticizing structural problems isn’t “driving political dominance.” It’s engaging with reality. Reducing every critique to left-wing manipulation is an easy way to avoid grappling with the argument itself.

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They make people so concerned about the few failures (that we continue to fix), that those people are willing to dedicate their vote and their life to stopping any flavor of Republican, and most moderate Democrats.
They succeeded with you haven't they?


I really don't even want to dignify this with a response. Throughout this thread you’ve made repeated, unnecessary accusations about me as a person that have nothing to do with the argument and seem designed to paint me in a negative light so my claims can be dismissed without engaging them.

As if a person who might be wealthy, or who grew up in a perfect family, or votes for democrats, or reads books can't also notice glaring failures in our government and society anyway,


Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 3:05 pm to
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In other words, you’re continuing to speculate about me to prop up negative assumptions. Studying something does not remove a person from reality.

Speculate?
No much of what you say is removed from reality.
Im not speculating that you have untreated oppositional defiant disorder or something.

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My studies don’t alter the penal system or the people I interact with every day. I live in this country, work within its institutions, and raise a family I deeply care about. None of that disappears because I read or think critically.

But thats the thing you never think critically.
This forum is covered with your completely uncritical thinking.

You say things like criticize all laws, but that's as actually critically as thinking that saying you are going to fly is flying.

You are entirely a creature of anecdotes, you complain, not criticize.

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I suspect that many posters here, including you, have very limited contact with people who don’t look, sound, or live like you, and that distance makes it easier to accept government narratives without question. It’s striking that you lecture me about questioning my conclusions while refusing to question your own assumptions about enforcement, power, and outcomes.

I've told you thats not true a number of times, but you keep insisting it must be true.
The major difference of our experiences is that mine were all volunteering, and yours were at least mostly paid.
I always question my assumptions, its strange that you think I must then come to the same conclusions as you.
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I don't “strongly believe” her parents paid for top lawyers. I cited her as a widely known example of a privileged defendant avoiding conviction. I don’t recall the specifics of her defense funding, and you may be right that parts of it were volunteer.

Please care even so slightly if whay you are saying is false.
Do some research on things you assume.
I looked through the case and the funding, there was state funding as she was declared indigent, donations, pro bono, and money from her sale of her story to ABC.

Its amazing how quickly you assume that this other white girl had big family money...
Its almost as if you... stereotyped her...

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You want to use that as proof that no bias exists in our criminal justice system. Or that the bias that does exist is acceptable because you believe it's unavoidable. And you want call that justice. Not a very high bar, is it?


Im using it as proof that you have based your statements on entirely false things.
But you act like all bias is bad, we should all be biased against evil, and against evil acts.
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That is not the same as saying the system must be God-like perfect to be legitimate.

Uh no you've said that many times, you just said it in the previous quote.
Do you believe our system is illegitimate? Do you think it does not rise to that bar?
If you think it can be imperfect and legitimate, are you not then using that same bar you called not high?
I invite you to declare how many further levels of security is needed before you will call the US Justice system legitimate.
And please define legitimate.
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The framers built safeguards precisely because they expected bias, not because they believed humans could transcend it.

Again is it legitimate?
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What you seem to be arguing is that the thousands of people who write, enforce, and prosecute laws operate in some near-robotic objectivity, unaffected by incentives, pressure, or power.


No, you were far closer when you accused me of believing that our safe guards are enough to balance preventing unjust convictions while protecting the common good.
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Reducing every critique to left-wing manipulation is an easy way to avoid grappling with the argument itself.

So your professor is a right wing guy?
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As if a person who might be wealthy, or who grew up in a perfect family, or votes for democrats, or reads books can't also notice glaring failures in our government and society anyway,

You seem to be in complete denial at this point.
Yours is a failure of actual criticism, I wish it was better there are really good cases to be made.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61469 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:22 pm to
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Speculate? No much of what you say is removed from reality.


Removed from your reality. And you have the nerve to claim I’m the one sheltered by privilege.

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But thats the thing you never think critically.
This forum is covered with your completely uncritical thinking.



Likewise. Not even gonna bother with the rest of this post.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38465 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:38 pm to
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Not even gonna bother with the rest of this post.


Cubbies ignoring reality and substituting her own?

No wayyyyy.




Ready to talk about Trayvon and Sandra yet?
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:38 pm to
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Removed from your reality. And you have the nerve to claim I’m the one sheltered by privilege.

There is only one reality.
Again, there are many examples of you saying things factually wrong.
The Casey Anthony thing is only the latest. As Beer said, there are a number of others.

You said Casey Anthony's high powered Attorneys were paid for by her parents.

I thought... hmm interesting. I did some research, I read the Bios of her Defense Attorneys, I read articles about the State of Florida paying some defense costs.

That's how people deal with reality. That's how people treat their own thoughts before they become statements, they think to themselves, I believe this, is there supporting evidence that supports my view? Is my views at least consistent with what else I believe?

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Likewise. Not even gonna bother with the rest of this post.

It is a shame that you are so wedded to your worldview, a little research would take you a long way from continuing to make factually false claims.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 4:40 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61469 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:50 pm to
The bottom line is that I can acknowledge that the people responsible for administering justice in this country are human and can be (and frequently are) influenced by a myriad of circumstances and factors that often distort "justice."

Your position is that the thousands of people who administer justice are objective and the government gets things right except in extremely rare occasions. And you cite Casey Anthony's volunteer attorney (not public defender) as evidence that our system is not broken. If an attractive white woman was able to obtain a pro bono private legal expert, every impoverished minority will surely also be that lucky, proving that our system is in fact objectively just for everyone.

And I will also acknowledge your many unnecessary and inflammatory attempts to psychoanalyze and fabricate all kinds of narratives about me my personal life and history to prove your point about our system being just.

You can honestly go kick rocks at this point.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
158004 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:58 pm to
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You can honestly go kick rocks at this point.


The board has been asking you to do this very thing for a very long time. Yet…
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