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re: New Mexico promised its students free college. Then oil prices tanked
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:30 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:30 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:31 am to Robin Masters
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e: the lowest one only requires a 2.5 GPA and a 20 on ACT Maybe these kids should be steered towards trade/tech schools?
Why? You think that those programs don’t require dedicated students? Any kid with a 2.5 GPA wasn’t really motivated at some point.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:34 am to Eli Goldfinger
Free shite is NEVER free.
It may be FREE to the recipient, but someone pays for it.
Usually taxpayers.
It may be FREE to the recipient, but someone pays for it.
Usually taxpayers.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:35 am to Eli Goldfinger
Make false promises to a naive population, get them to become politically active and win an election. Break that promise and then blame it on the opponent.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
This is how democrat politicians operate.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
This is how democrat politicians operate.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:36 am to Robin Masters
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Maybe these kids should be steered towards trade/tech schools?
One of the greatest fallacies of the last 30 years in the United States is that everyone can, should and must go to a 4 year college, no matter what field of study or income prospects after graduation. Perpetuated by dem politicians, college administrators reaping massive rewards, and community activists looking for donations.
Employers are culpable as well for tacking on 4 year degree requirements where one isn't needed.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:38 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Would a 110 IQ person be professionally better off competing with other individuals in the 95-110 IQ range, or competing with individuals in the 115+ IQ range?
Doesn't matter now, not in the era of pending racial hiring quotas driven by woke HR departments. Woke HR at my 250 person company is giving strong signs we're heading that way.
Before this gets jumped on, what I mean by this is the best and brightest minorities are going to have their choice, and when they choose elsewhere, down the list we go to fill quotas. This does NOT mean any inference of racial intelligence deficiencies.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 9:40 am
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:41 am to AUMIS01
That’s why everyone should list themselves as biracial.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:42 am to AUMIS01
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This does NOT mean any inference of racial intelligence deficiencies.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:42 am to Eli Goldfinger
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A university degree should imply that you have a higher than average capacity for reasoning and how it is applied to a specific field. Folks with average intelligence should be steered toward a vocation. Would a 110 IQ person be professionally better off competing with other individuals in the 95-110 IQ range, or competing with individuals in the 115+ IQ range?
As if “vocations” are filled with low iq workers. You really want someone who lacks basic reasoning skills working on your homes electrical system while you pay them 45 dollars an hour? Not to mention those in “vocations” who work on much more complex systems and issues?
Your post implies that these people are somehow beneath those brilliant sociology majors being churned out by our Universities.
This is one of the primary reasons young people don’t choose that path, they don’t want to be looked down on by society.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:46 am to Dawgfanman
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basic reasoning skills
I didn’t say basic.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:52 am to Eli Goldfinger
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I didn’t say basic.
I can tell you this. The average commercial electrician has a better chance of adequately replacing an elementary school teacher than the teacher does replacing the electrician. I have no doubt you want the teacher to have a 4 year degree and a higher than average IQ.
Society, in discussion and popular opinion, seems to value the teacher more...the economics tell the real story of who brings value and is more in demand because of the rarity of the skills and intellect they possess.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:03 am to Dawgfanman
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I have no doubt you want the teacher to have a 4 year degree
No. It’s pointless.
School teaching should be a vocational degree.
I’m not sure why electricians are being singled out, but I know a few electricians who are dumb as shite. This is not to say they aren’t fine electricians. However, they don’t have the capacity to reach into the abstract and pull back actionable ideas.
I’m sure some electricians are super intelligent and capable, but learning to be an electrician doesn’t require working in theory as much as learning existing standards and safety procedures. That’s what separates electricians (vocation) from electrical engineers (degreed profession).
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:07 am to Eli Goldfinger
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New Mexico
Went twice in the last two years one before and one after the Wuhan Flu. I can tell you personally that state is one of the most cucked areas on the planet. It’s seriously sickening.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:10 am to Dawgfanman
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the economics tell the real story of who brings value and is more in demand because of the rarity of the skills and intellect they possess.
Teachers are not subject to economics. That’s a bad thing. But a good teacher is worth almost two years of education for their students. A bad teacher is worth up to -.5 years.
If we were paying teachers based on merit, we would have teachers making over $100k easily.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:11 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:It worked for Liz Warren for decades so we should follow her example of WOKE PC Culture as a shining example of Feminism in Men.
That’s why everyone should list themselves as biracial.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:12 am to Eli Goldfinger
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School teaching should be a vocational degree.
Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:14 am to Eli Goldfinger
Go figure, it's monumentally stupid to promise a bunch of free shite you have no chance of delivering on.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:17 am to Lawyered
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Reap what you SOW
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:27 am to Eli Goldfinger
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I’m not sure why electricians are being singled out, but I know a few electricians who are dumb as shite. This is not to say they aren’t fine electricians. However, they don’t have the capacity to reach into the abstract and pull back actionable ideas.
They may or may not have that capacity, there job likely doesn’t require it most times. And neither does the job all these degree holding professionals are performing most of the time. This is true in technical fields of study (IT/medical careers from nursing to physical therapy for example). You are likely talking about electricians who mostly serve as installers or low level troubleshooters in residential or light commercial settings. They are no different from the nurse at your doctors office or the IT guy who responds to a low level trouble ticket. This isn’t some great intellectual pursuit for any of the 3.
My point was that “vocations” need very smart people, capable of a deep understanding of their field, who can perform complex tasks and can see “the bigger picture” as much or more than do most traditional “college degree required” professions. Most kids going to college aren’t gonna become engineers/research scientists/doctors..they will be office drones and would be no more outstanding at that than they would a vocation such as electrician.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:37 am to Dawgfanman
We’re arguing the same point.
I think university degrees should only be pursued by those with a much larger than average capacity for abstract thought. In my thinking, this would include folks in the 120+ IQ range.
That would leave a whole lot of “above average” folks to pursue fields where they could more easily make an impact. Imagine if all of the average engineers in the US - who are basically just glorified drafters - were actually hands-on working with HVAC systems, electric systems, etc...there would be great opportunity for advancing their fields.
Basically, a university degree should only be pushed on those who exhibit capacity for abstract thought. While a vocation should be pushed on the other 90%.
BS degree - exhibit ability to think in abstract and postulate actionable theory in a chosen field.
Vocation - ability to learn and implement standards & procedures in a chosen field.
I think university degrees should only be pursued by those with a much larger than average capacity for abstract thought. In my thinking, this would include folks in the 120+ IQ range.
That would leave a whole lot of “above average” folks to pursue fields where they could more easily make an impact. Imagine if all of the average engineers in the US - who are basically just glorified drafters - were actually hands-on working with HVAC systems, electric systems, etc...there would be great opportunity for advancing their fields.
Basically, a university degree should only be pushed on those who exhibit capacity for abstract thought. While a vocation should be pushed on the other 90%.
BS degree - exhibit ability to think in abstract and postulate actionable theory in a chosen field.
Vocation - ability to learn and implement standards & procedures in a chosen field.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 10:40 am
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