re: New abortion bill in Alabama would make abortion a felony

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But folks on here tell me how men are far superior to emotional, out-of-control women! Sounds like men are just penises attached to bodies. What are you - some kind of cuck soyboy libtard SJW? (did I miss any?)

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You sound like a woman

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OH WOW. So, you're saying that men are less capable than women in deciding whether or not to have a sexual encounter? But folks on here tell me how men are far superior to emotional, out-of-control women! Sounds like men are just penises attached to bodies. What are you - some kind of cuck soyboy libtard SJW? (did I miss any?)

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This is all over the place.

Men are, in general, more "capable" than women of deciding when to have a sexual encounter, but the vast majority prefer to seek consent. Are you trying to twist that into an insult against men? It's hard to discern what you're going for here. It comes across as the rantings of an

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emotional, out-of-control woman

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Fair enough. Since we have equal responsibility (it takes two to tango, so to speak) but unequal consequences, it seems that your conclusion is that the consequences be even more increased on the side of the woman. That is, the woman should be forced to carry a child to term and give birth.

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That would be the result of not punishing the children for the actions of their parents, yes.

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I'd argue that this is utterly unfair.

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It's not about fairness. It's about biology (who carries the baby) and morality (we shouldn't kill children because they are unwanted).

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I'd be fine with outlawing abortion if men were charged 50% of the greater of (1) the woman's salary for one year or (2) the average salary in the town of residence of the woman.

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Seems arbitrary.

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Men are responsible for 50% of the genetic material needed to create a child, so what we really need to do is increase their liability so that men will have similar (though not equal) consequences for a woman getting pregnant. Fair?

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I'm in favor of "punishing" men who refuse to marry the women they knock up (doing so would take responsibility for helping both the woman and the child) through child support laws, but those already exist. Perhaps those laws need to be adjusted, but I haven't researched what they are today so I can't comment on that yet.

At this time, I'm mostly concerned with the life of the child. We can talk about the other related issues separately once we agree that children shouldn't be killed for the sake of convenience.

Has Alyssa Milano spoken out against it yet?

I, personally, would never abort my own. But how in hades would zero tolerance abortion laws even be enforced?

Honestly, "pro life" is a misnomer and should be labeled "anti abortion." That would more accurately describe the cause. Ive seen many people get on the soapbox for the American unborn, yet have no problem completely disregarding hundreds of thousands of innocents destroyed in the Middle East and elsewhere.

shite, hospitals are being bombed in Yemen by SA with our weapons/technology.

The reason for this cognitive dissonance? Pro lifers often are religious and correlate the innocence and divinity of their dogmatic beliefs with that of a newborn baby. Which begs the question of why their efforts to combat abortion doctors and clinics with are often riddled with dishonesty.

Hell, is the woman's story in the movie "Unplanned" even true? Ive read enough to doubt its veracity. But,hey, shes a media superstar now. Lying is okay when God is on your side.

Nobody gives a shite about brown babies eviscerated in the Middle East; just keep chewing on those Freedom Fries while you log onto Fandango to purchase tickets for "Roe Vs Wade." Another propaganda piece already known to be filled with half truths and outright lies.

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We punish children for the actions of their parents ALL THE TIME

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Not by killing them.

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It's a proposal. The goal of the proposal is to have consequences in general parity for both contributors to the creation of a child. Of course, it isn't perfect, but there's really no way to make it so.

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I wasn't condemning it outright. I was just saying it's arbitrary.

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Those do exist, but they obviously don't create a situation where both the man and the woman have to consider the immediate consequences of having sex, particularly outside of marriage. By your own admission, the consequences to the female are much clearer and immediate than those to the man. Let's fix that!

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There's no way to fix that. I'm in agreement that a man that impregnates a woman should be accountable but I'm not under any sort of delusion that the consequences for the man can be made equal to the woman. Monetary compensation is an agreed upon recourse for damages but no amount of money can make up fully for certain physical, emotional, or life-changing events that occur.

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I'd say that this conversation would be easier with all parties involved if the near term-consequences are as close to equal for both parties involved. There is certainly an amount of money (maybe more than I'm suggesting, even) that would (1) incentivize men to take at least an equal share of the responsibility of birth control and (2) reduce the abortion rate to the point that they are rare, indeed.

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That may be helpful for the dialogue, but honestly I don't care about it so much because it implies that we shouldn't take action on protecting the lives of the unborn until we can adequately address additional and secondary issues about equity of responsibility and damages. We may never agree on what is "fair" in that regard and I'd rather not halt progress on saving lives to quibble over that aspect at this time.