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re: #NeverTrump is not Conservative.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:43 am to DEG
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:43 am to DEG
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Presidents are more than just decision makers. They are heads of state, representatives of our country, overseers of the promises they make, and leaders. Tone, decency, collaboration, intellect, character and influence all matter greatly. Decision making is just one aspect of importance.
That's great. What does it have to do with what I said though?
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:48 am to Salmon
quote:Same. Asking people to see that Trumpism’s success was a 2016 anamoly—and just barely at that. Dems are fired up. Suburban, professional whites (traditional GOP constituency) are highly critical of Trump. If the economy stays strong he stands a chance.
#neverTrumper here and I'm not celebrating Dem victories
Otherwise, whew...
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:49 am to Navytiger74
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. Suburban, professional whites (traditional GOP constuency) are highly critical of Trump.
Where is this from or is it your observed opinion?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:50 am to Navytiger74
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Otherwise, whew...
If the DNC runs their candidate based on the same policies and talking points Hillary did, Trump will win easily.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:57 am to Centinel
quote:Hillary’s problem wasn’t policy or talking points, FWIW. It was Hillary. Not to say her policies were great, but they were familiar shite. An average candidate who wasn’t Hillary Clinton + under federal investigation would have beaten Trump soundly with her platform.
If the DNC runs their candidate based on the same policies and talking points Hillary did, Trump will win easily.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:58 am to Centinel
Hillary was hated for a lot of reasons, however her policy positions would not be at the top.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:01 pm to Centinel
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That's great. What does it have to do with what I said though?
You isolated your judgment of POTUS to his decisions, which is childish. That's what my post had to do with what you said.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:02 pm to goatmilker
quote:Polling and observed anecdotal opinions. We did just have a race up here. But to be fair a lot of my interactions are mid-level to senior govies and a cadre of lawyers I went to school with. Mostly Republicans. Trump’s standing among military officers, FWIW, is historically low for a Republican President. Something like 42% (ETA: 31%) according to military times. And military Os have to rank out as among the most conservative constituencies in the country.
Where is this from or is it your observed opinion?
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:03 pm to DEG
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You isolated your judgment of POTUS to his decisions, which is childish.
What is a decision?
Lets see if you can follow along.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:03 pm to DEG
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You isolated your judgment of POTUS to his decisions, which is childish.
Yeah, were all supposed to be engaged in groupthink and never judge based on different values
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:08 pm to Centinel
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What is a decision?
Are you retarded because you seem retarded asking these things.
Behavior and decisions are different things. If you intended them to mean the same thing, they don't. At least not in the context of leadership.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:11 pm to DEG
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Are you retarded because you seem retarded asking these things.
Are you unable to answer the question? If so I'll help you out.
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Behavior and decisions are different things.
Ah, so you're making the assertion that someone's behavior is not a conscious decision?
That's a rather odd assertion to make.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:21 pm to wmr
Trump is a Pro-American non -ideologue. He never read Hayak, he never sought affirmation from the boys at The National Review, he never was a part of either The Republican Establishment or Movement Conservatism.
Nonetheless, he has given us Neil Gorsuch, repealed miles and miles of non-Democratic bureaucratic regulations, made great Cabinet appointments, is pushing tax reduction and tax simplification, has attempted to 86 Obamacare, has reduced illegal immigration and is taking on Sanctuary cities, he's confronting both North Korea and Iran from a position of strength, he is wrecking cultural Marxism by shining a daily light on it, whether it be by pointing out the phoniness of the media or Hollywood/Pro Sports, etc etc ad nauseaum....And he has seven more years to go, imho.
He has identified the two biggest problems in America- 1. -the Culturally Marxist Progressivism of the chattering class, social media, the political and cultural elite etc AND 2.- the threat that The Deep State uni-party establishment poses to the health of our country. And by shining a light on it daily-now WE know about how it works beneath the surface to orchestrate things that may not be in our best interest (understatement).
He's not a Conservative, but he sure has good Conservative instincts even if he (rightfully imo) has the partial psychological profile of a teen boy. He likes to wreck shite, which works for me, -because there is a LOT that needs wrecking. That NeoCons are discombobulated and hysterical is the second best thing about him, his effect of the psychological well-being of Progs being the best.
Nonetheless, he has given us Neil Gorsuch, repealed miles and miles of non-Democratic bureaucratic regulations, made great Cabinet appointments, is pushing tax reduction and tax simplification, has attempted to 86 Obamacare, has reduced illegal immigration and is taking on Sanctuary cities, he's confronting both North Korea and Iran from a position of strength, he is wrecking cultural Marxism by shining a daily light on it, whether it be by pointing out the phoniness of the media or Hollywood/Pro Sports, etc etc ad nauseaum....And he has seven more years to go, imho.
He has identified the two biggest problems in America- 1. -the Culturally Marxist Progressivism of the chattering class, social media, the political and cultural elite etc AND 2.- the threat that The Deep State uni-party establishment poses to the health of our country. And by shining a light on it daily-now WE know about how it works beneath the surface to orchestrate things that may not be in our best interest (understatement).
He's not a Conservative, but he sure has good Conservative instincts even if he (rightfully imo) has the partial psychological profile of a teen boy. He likes to wreck shite, which works for me, -because there is a LOT that needs wrecking. That NeoCons are discombobulated and hysterical is the second best thing about him, his effect of the psychological well-being of Progs being the best.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:14 pm to wmr
I so agree with you.
Trump is an imperfect messenger of a very appealing agenda. His agenda, first and foremost is why people voted for him. His agenda scares the shite out of established politicians, no matter what side they are on.
NeverTrumpers were allegedly turned off by the imperfection of his messenger status, but I don't buy that for a minute. These people were (and still are) terrified that his agenda renders establishment Republicans completely irrelevant.
Two establishment republicans lost elections yesterday. At least in Virginia, it is quite possible if the Rs would have ran a Republican on Trump's agenda, the R Candidate could have pulled it off (especially following that idiotic campaign ad the Dems ran). I think that's ultimately why Moore, for example, is going to walk away with the Senate Race in Alabama. Despite his crazy on social issues that aren't legislatable anyway, he is a Trump agenda guy on stuff Congress can actually do something about.
The GOPe isn't learning lessons it should have learned. The 2016 election was as much an indictment of the Bill Kristols of the world as it was to how much Hillary sucks. Neither major political party has learned a thing.
When it comes right down to it the Marxist SJW Crazy nonsense that has completely overtaken the Democrat Party blinded by its smugness alienates more Americans than the Republicans. The GOPe, just CANNOT get out of its own way, and take a stand on something just a little different.
The Midterms in 2018 are going to be fascinating because the deck is still shuffling.
Trump is an imperfect messenger of a very appealing agenda. His agenda, first and foremost is why people voted for him. His agenda scares the shite out of established politicians, no matter what side they are on.
NeverTrumpers were allegedly turned off by the imperfection of his messenger status, but I don't buy that for a minute. These people were (and still are) terrified that his agenda renders establishment Republicans completely irrelevant.
Two establishment republicans lost elections yesterday. At least in Virginia, it is quite possible if the Rs would have ran a Republican on Trump's agenda, the R Candidate could have pulled it off (especially following that idiotic campaign ad the Dems ran). I think that's ultimately why Moore, for example, is going to walk away with the Senate Race in Alabama. Despite his crazy on social issues that aren't legislatable anyway, he is a Trump agenda guy on stuff Congress can actually do something about.
The GOPe isn't learning lessons it should have learned. The 2016 election was as much an indictment of the Bill Kristols of the world as it was to how much Hillary sucks. Neither major political party has learned a thing.
When it comes right down to it the Marxist SJW Crazy nonsense that has completely overtaken the Democrat Party blinded by its smugness alienates more Americans than the Republicans. The GOPe, just CANNOT get out of its own way, and take a stand on something just a little different.
The Midterms in 2018 are going to be fascinating because the deck is still shuffling.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:38 pm to Pettifogger
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McMullin and those types went off the deep end. They make critiques of Trump while defending similar behavior from people on the left. When your response to Trump goes so far as to praise or defend the equivalents on the left, you know you've lost it. People like him, Jennifer Rubin, etc., assuming they were ever mildly conservative in the first place - those folks deserve all the scorn you can level.
McMullin actually trashed Gillespie for being a white nationalist the other day and said it was better for him to lose.
He's a waste of space and air.
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Meanwhile, you've got dudes like Ben Shapiro, Guy Benson, etc. who are reasonable, who criticize Trump but don't cross over into taking an opposite ideological position just for that purpose. They're also prone to defending Trump where it makes sense.
They're as fair as it can get and I do follow a bit of them on twitter.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:40 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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This implies that Trump is conservative.
He actually is.
So far his administration has been every bit as conservative as Ronald Reagan was and quadruply much more than Bush 43.
If Trump really was the liberal you all accuse him of being, we would be seeing a much more muted and tame reaction from the left and GOPe moderates.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:02 pm to wmr
Reagan was the closest thing to a true conservative that I have seen in my lifetime. (Yes I know he mad a deal with the devil democrats that they reneged on.)
Reagan had a rule that you never spoke bad of your party.
Nearly all never Trumpers violate this rule, so they are not conservatives. frick them, especially Bill Kristol!
Reagan had a rule that you never spoke bad of your party.
Nearly all never Trumpers violate this rule, so they are not conservatives. frick them, especially Bill Kristol!
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