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re: Need help finding video of Black ex-cop breaking down Ahmaud Arbery case
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:21 pm to yesyesyall
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:21 pm to yesyesyall
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is there any evidence that the shotgun was pointed at arbery at any point before his own hands were on it as he ran into mcmichaels?
Yes. The new slowed down enhanced video shows him race and point the shot gun at Arbery as he jogged up.
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Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:22 pm to mouton
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Are you defending McMichael pointing the shotgun at Aubery
as he ran before he veered left then proceeded to move across the front of the truck with shotgun in hand to cut Aubery off?
are you telling us what you feel is the truth, or can you see clearly on the video that mcmichael was moving to intercept?
the video seems to show that arbery did way more to collide with mcmichael than vice-versa.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:27 pm to mouton
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The new slowed down enhanced video shows him race and point the shot gun at Arbery as he jogged up.
help me out with a link, everything i see is a week old, and a lot of this content can be hard to find due to the subject matter.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:37 pm to yesyesyall
There’s a low-quality gif on page 1 that looks very much like junior raises the shotgun at Arbery while he’s running.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:38 pm to yesyesyall
Yes, thr burden to convict at trial is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas to arrest it is reasonable suspicion. But I don't believe hunches or assumptions or speculation without any observable evidence will even carry the reasonable suspicion standard.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:43 pm to Brannigans_Law
The sound is not correctly synced up with the video in that one.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:54 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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feel like chasing someone down in a truck with a shotgun and a pistol is pretty hard behavior to explain
It should be. It’s funny reading posts arguing it’s completely justified.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:59 pm to yesyesyall
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where exactly are you saying that it ceases to be a legal citizen's arrest? no one was acting in the official capacity of a LEO, they were making a citizen's arrest, right? it was legal for them to pursue him and attempt to detain him until cops arrived, right? it was legal for them to be armed while doing so, right? maybe the moment that mcmichael steps out of the vehicle carrying the shotgun can be construed as some act of aggression, i don't know.
i'm not asking about what you feel is right, i'm talking about the law this situation is up against.
In the state of Ga, to affect a citizen arrest, you must have immediate knowledge of a felony.
You heard somebody might have broke in to an open construction site doesn't meet that standard AND their statement in the police report said the dad saw him running down the road and thought he looked like the guy he'd seen in a previous video (not committing a felony).
They didn't have the right.
Moreover, in February of 2019, due to his dereliction of duty, the Dad had to turn in his gun and badge for the second time AND signed a memorandum of understanding with the DA that he would no longer participate in ANY Law Enforcement type activities.
So he didn't have the legal grounds to meet the statute AND he had a legal obligation not to detain or arrest anyone.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:05 pm to More&Les
It’s embarrassing the lengths some of you will go to in order to feel justified in celebrating the death of a black guy 
Some of y’all are literally making up words and laws that don’t exist.
Some of y’all are literally making up words and laws that don’t exist.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:06 pm to More&Les
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There was no felony, the homeowner has confirmed that nothing was disturbed, damaged or stolen and the site is open.
That was my point. If no felony occurred there was no legal basis for them to detain him or attempt to make a citizen’s arrest. Is t illegally detaining someone with a weapon illegal and, if so, any death that occurred as a result of their illegal actions are their responsibility.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:12 pm to Brannigans_Law
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I did the magnification/slowmo but this is the highest quality video i have found so far
Could you post a shareable link of your slowed down version?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:25 pm to davyjones
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Yes, thr burden to convict at trial is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas to arrest it is reasonable suspicion. But I don't believe hunches or assumptions or speculation without any observable evidence will even carry the reasonable suspicion standard.
was he not observed in the house-to-be?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:25 pm to Brannigans_Law
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LINK
I did the magnification/slowmo but this is the highest quality video i have found so far
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Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:27 pm to the808bass
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There’s a low-quality gif on page 1 that looks very much like junior raises the shotgun at Arbery while he’s running.
i do see what you're talking about, i hadn't noticed that little flash before. be interested to see a higher quality video.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It’s embarrassing the lengths some of you will go to in order to feel justified in celebrating the death of a black guy
Some of y’all are literally making up words and laws that don’t exist.
Holy shite, you clearly haven't read a fricking word Ive posted. Ive been labeled the new Al Sharpton because I won't justify the McDumbasses murdering the dude, wtf?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:29 pm to yesyesyall
Yes, which is misdemeanor trespass at most if there's no observable evidence of intention to commit a felony or theft therein.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:33 pm to LSUGrrrl
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That was my point. If no felony occurred there was no legal basis for them to detain him or attempt to make a citizen’s arrest.
Yes, I was agreeing with you and giving more context.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:34 pm to More&Les
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In the state of Ga, to affect a citizen arrest, you must have immediate knowledge of a felony.
their argument will be that they had reasonable suspicion of felony burglary, obviously with no proof of his intent in entering the house, but seeing him flee from the property (which was marked "no trespassing"). fleeing in a high crime area has constituted reasonable suspicion in other arrests, i'd imagine their justification will include that point.
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Moreover, in February of 2019, due to his dereliction of duty, the Dad had to turn in his gun and badge for the second time AND signed a memorandum of understanding with the DA that he would no longer participate in ANY Law Enforcement type activities.
So he didn't have the legal grounds to meet the statute AND he had a legal obligation not to detain or arrest anyone.
that applies to his grounds to make an arrest in the official capacity of law enforcement, and not to his grounds to make an arrest that any private citizen would be authorized to make by law though, right?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:35 pm to yesyesyall
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reasonable suspicion
This won’t be enough for a citizens arrest.
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