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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:42 pm to Iosh
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:42 pm to Iosh
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Someone want to explain to me why everyone is talking about THE FOUNDERS like it's an episode of fricking Star Trek when the Equal Protection Clause was passed during Reconstruction?
Good lord how in the WORLD does the equal protection clause have anything to do with gay marriage? There is no right to marry somebody of the same sex! There just isn't! Your side is trying to create a false civil rights issue presumably becausue gay people really really want to get married, but guess what? There are a lot of Mormons (men and women) who really really want to practice polygamy but you all don't give a shite about them! I'm not trying to argue for polygamy, I'm just trying to point out how absurd the whole civil rights angle on this is.
But like I said, there's no point getting worked up over it because the debate is over. Gay marriage will be a reality in all 50 states probably in the next 5 years. It is what it is.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:43 pm to antibarner
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All those things were changed by the people largely at the ballot box. Which was how it is supposed to work.
To a degree. But the ballot box does not override the constitution, unless you change the constitution first.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Again, if every state voted for the legalization of gay marriage your tune would change.
Wrong.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:45 pm to thetempleowl
And you can amend it with enough support. Which this issue hasn't a chance in hell of mustering.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:46 pm to antibarner
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If they do, so be it. But they won't all vote for gay marriage. It should be a States Issue.
At most it should be a state's issue. It would be far preferable to have the government get out of marriage altogether.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:47 pm to the808bass
It can't get out altogether.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:48 pm to antibarner
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19th Amendment was passed by the people's representatives and a majority of the states. The ballot box sir.
The 19th amendment was introduced in 1878 and took FOURTY-ONE YEARS to pass in Congress. Once submitted to the states for ratification, it was rejected in 17 states and the courts overruled the majority in multiple states in order to reach the 3/4ths needed to pass. It went all the way to the supreme court, and only in 1922 did the SC reject the claims that the amendment was unconstitutionally adopted (which technically, it was). The ratification remained rejected by 9 states decades after, with Mississippi being the final state to ratify it in the 80s.
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Lincoln did what he did to gain the moral high ground during the war, but he was elected by the People and was re elected. The ballot box again sir.
Barack Obama was elected and then re-elected, so I guess that means the people support gay marriage. Ballot box and stuff, ya know?
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Many states passed compulsory education laws, done by the People's representatives...elected by the People.
Because the federal government threatened to stop funding any state which refused to pass such legislation.
Jesus Christ dude, read a book.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:48 pm to the808bass
It can't get out altogether. Are we going to allow polygamy? Incestual marriages? Underage?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
I read. And you can twist the argument any way you want but factually you were wrong.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:51 pm to antibarner
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But they won't all vote for gay marriage.
They will eventually. It will take some years, maybe even decades, but it will happen eventually. By the time my children are my age I'll be very surprised if it isn't legal in every state.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:53 pm to antibarner
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And you can twist the argument any way you want but factually you were wrong.
Your concession of defeat is acknowledged.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
Too late, your surrender was already accepted. 
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:55 pm to buckeye_vol
Let me clear this untruth up, since you are speaking wrongly.
This proves you don't have a clue about the bible.
The bible never tells us not to judge people.
The bible says judge not that you be not judged.
(don't judge if you don't want to be judged)
For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged ( This contradicts your assertion that we aren't to judge, this states you will be judged as you judge )
And with what measure you mete, it shall be measured unto you ( if you judge righteous judgment God will judge you righteously )
And why beholdest the mote in thy brothers eye, but not consider the beam in thine own eye (J.C. was saying to everyone, get yourself straight before getting your brothers straight, all Christians have undergone this transition, we realize we are as filthy rags without God's forgiveness.)
How will you say to your brother, let me pull out the mote out of your eyes, when there is a beam in your own eye, THOU HYPOCRITE, FIRST CAST OUT THE BEAM IN YOUR OWN EYES, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY TO CAST THE MOTE OUT OF YOUR BROTHERS EYE. ( Like I said, a Spirit filled Christian has already underwent this transformation, hence his righteous judgment comes via the Holy Spirit.)
I love how people that have no clue about what the bible actually means, try's and inform Christian's what the WORLD SEEMS TO THINK THE BIBLE MEANS.
If your kid was going to have to cross a road would you not tell him to look both ways and JUDGE if cars were coming ? Why wouldn't God want us to JUDGE the company we keep ? Would you want your kids hanging with Gun Toting Thugs ? Or Dope Dealers ?
Judging is not condemnation, God says condemnation is His alone.
We, as Christians have zero right to say where someone went after his death, because he might have sought God's forgiveness, but if 5 years before he dies he is advocating homosexuality, and stealing, lying, etc. etc. we can JUDGE that he is wrong in his lifestyle according to the word of God.
Judging and Condemnation is two different things.
There are many other misconceptions the world has that is totally wrong.
This proves you don't have a clue about the bible.
The bible never tells us not to judge people.
The bible says judge not that you be not judged.
(don't judge if you don't want to be judged)
For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged ( This contradicts your assertion that we aren't to judge, this states you will be judged as you judge )
And with what measure you mete, it shall be measured unto you ( if you judge righteous judgment God will judge you righteously )
And why beholdest the mote in thy brothers eye, but not consider the beam in thine own eye (J.C. was saying to everyone, get yourself straight before getting your brothers straight, all Christians have undergone this transition, we realize we are as filthy rags without God's forgiveness.)
How will you say to your brother, let me pull out the mote out of your eyes, when there is a beam in your own eye, THOU HYPOCRITE, FIRST CAST OUT THE BEAM IN YOUR OWN EYES, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY TO CAST THE MOTE OUT OF YOUR BROTHERS EYE. ( Like I said, a Spirit filled Christian has already underwent this transformation, hence his righteous judgment comes via the Holy Spirit.)
I love how people that have no clue about what the bible actually means, try's and inform Christian's what the WORLD SEEMS TO THINK THE BIBLE MEANS.
If your kid was going to have to cross a road would you not tell him to look both ways and JUDGE if cars were coming ? Why wouldn't God want us to JUDGE the company we keep ? Would you want your kids hanging with Gun Toting Thugs ? Or Dope Dealers ?
Judging is not condemnation, God says condemnation is His alone.
We, as Christians have zero right to say where someone went after his death, because he might have sought God's forgiveness, but if 5 years before he dies he is advocating homosexuality, and stealing, lying, etc. etc. we can JUDGE that he is wrong in his lifestyle according to the word of God.
Judging and Condemnation is two different things.
There are many other misconceptions the world has that is totally wrong.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:56 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Good lord how in the WORLD does the equal protection clause have anything to do with gay marriage? There is no right to marry somebody of the same sex! There just isn't! Your side is trying to create a false civil rights issue
Actually, just because you don't know why doesn't mean there really isn't good reason for it.
And while some say the equal protection clause says that gay marriage should be allowed, others feel that the due process clause is the more likely quicker route for gays being allowed to married.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:56 pm to Sevendust912
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Living your life based on a book written 3,000 years ago is more preposterous than "believing" in homosexuality.
So at what point in time does a written truth become any less or more valid to live by?
Whether you believe in the edicts of the Bible or not, is someone behind the times and naïve because rules to live by such as "Thou shalt not commit murder" were admonished thousands of years ago???
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:58 pm to the808bass
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At most it should be a state's issue. It would be far preferable to have the government get out of marriage altogether.
Why should it be a states issue?
Should a state be allowed to disregard the constitution because of a simple majority?
Sorry, this is not a state issue. And there has been already legal precedence about protecting the rights of those to marry being afforded by the constitution.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:59 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
The fellows that flew the airplanes into the World Trade Center, I can judge that they were murderers. I think I can get away with judging that Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were monsters.
Sure you can judge, but the same standards may be applied to you. I think I will be ok in these cases and others.
Sure you can judge, but the same standards may be applied to you. I think I will be ok in these cases and others.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Lincoln did what he did to gain the moral high ground during the war, but he was elected by the People and was re elected. The ballot box again sir.
Barack Obama was elected and then re-elected, so I guess that means the people support gay marriage. Ballot box and stuff, ya know?
Oops
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:01 pm to onmymedicalgrind
He just walked right into it
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:02 pm to thetempleowl
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And while some say the equal protection clause says that gay marriage should be allowed
It's already allowed in more than half the states so that train has left the station. Full faith and credit has to with with other states recognizing the marriage just as they would a heterosexual marriage or an adoption or a divorce.
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