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re: Nebraska: Women overwhelmed with joy and in tears, after abortion ban bill fails
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:57 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:57 pm to FooManChoo
quote:.
Pro-abortion advocates use the Latin word for child/offspring for babies in the womb in order to dehumanize a human child and I suppose you think that’s legitimate
Completely legit. A fetus is defined as an offspring of a human in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception).[/quote]
You got a problem with that?
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Pro-abprtion advocates use the Latin word for child/offspring for babies in the womb in order to dehumanize a human child and I suppose you think that’s legitimate
You stepped in it again. Its not a baby nor a child.
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:40 pm to texridder
I wish I could give this more downvotes. But, never mind.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:49 pm to texridder
quote:
Its not a baby nor a child.
It's both.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:53 pm to burger bearcat
Well Moloch is happy. Strange thing is if you talked about that ancient religion to these women just randomly they would say and think that it was a horrible thing to sacrifice your child to Moloch. And they would firmly believe we as a species have moved past such barbarism.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:54 pm to texridder
quote:Yes. A fetus is a Latin term for offspring or child. It's used to describe a preborn human offspring or child. People like you use the term to dehumanize the offspring or child and then claim that pro-lifers are acting in bad faith when calling the offspring or child what it is.
Completely legit. A fetus is defined as an offspring of a human in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception).
You got a problem with that?
quote:You know when people used to say a woman was "with child", what do you think they meant by that?
You stepped in it again. Its not a baby nor a child.
Check your shoes. Looks like you're the one who just stepped in it.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:55 pm to burger bearcat
So none of these bitches can take a birth control pill or insist the dude wrap it before doing the deed. Even if you like to sport kill your offspring, you still undergo a “medical procedure” to snuff out the life. Time consuming and more costly than birth control.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 1:39 am to CPTDCKHD
quote:
I wish I could give this more downvotes. But, never mind.
So downvotes are the ceiling for your ability to contribute to the discussion.
I don't blame you. You don't want to make a substantive response and risk being made a fool of.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 1:49 am to FooManChoo
quote:
claim that pro-lifers are acting in bad faith when calling the offspring or child what it is.
I gave the dictionary definition- no mention of child or baby.
Try again.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:27 am to FooManChoo
quote:Nonsense.
Pro-abortion advocates use the Latin word for child/offspring for babies in the womb in order to dehumanize a human child
I use the term because it is the proper scientific terminology to reference a specific stage of development in utero, after the embryonic stage and before birth. It clearly and concisely distinguishes between a zygote, a blastocyst, an embryo, a fetus, a newborn, an infant, a toddler, a prepubescent and an adolescent, while your ambiguous term can arguably be used in reference to ANY of those. When I mean blastocyst, I say “blastocyst.“ When I mean embryo, I say “embryo.“ Etcetera. It is a matter of precision.
Yes, its use also de-emphasizes emotion in what is essentially a legal discussion.
By contrast, your “side“ insists upon using the term “child,“ because you KNOW that it is ambiguous, and you WANT to drag emotion into the discussion. You WANT the reader to see your terminology and think about a laughing, cuddly infant rather than the 512-cell blastocyst that is actually under discussion. It is the same reason that you trot out diagrams of late-term, surgical abortions (which few of us support) rather than the early-term abortion by medication which constitutes 95% or more of abortions.
To justify that sophistry, you always ask the question of what terminology would be used by a pregnant woman who WANTS to be pregnant. Oddly enough, you never ask the same question regarding the preferred terminology of a woman who does NOT wish to be pregnant.
it reminds me of the old saw that a lawyer whose case is not supported by the facts, should “pound on“ the law, and that a lawyer whose case is not supported the law should “pound on” the facts. Lacking either, he should “pound on the table.“. By resorting to emotion in this argument, you are simply pounding upon the table.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 6:55 am
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:40 am to texridder
quote:Disappeared when asked to support this ridiculousness, didn’t he?quote:That's a new one on me. You have some reasonable authority on that?
A 4 week child inutero has the capacity for reasoning, there is no denying this fact.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:42 am to omegaman66
quote:Actually, I suspect that most would be entertained to see you bringing a fictional character into this discussion.
Well Moloch is happy. Strange thing is if you talked about that ancient religion to these women just randomly they would say and think that it was a horrible thing to sacrifice your child to Moloch. And they would firmly believe we as a species have moved past such barbarism.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:56 am to omegaman66
quote:
Well Moloch is happy. Strange thing is if you talked about that ancient religion to these women just randomly they would say and think that it was a horrible thing to sacrifice your child to Moloch. And they would firmly believe we as a species have moved past such barbarism.
General butt naked got the attention of the world for sacrificing babies. Granted he was eating them but the 50 or so he killed doesn't touch the millions this country has killed
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:08 am to AggieHank86
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When I mean blastocyst, I say “blastocyst.“ When I mean embryo, I say “embryo.“ Etcetera. It is a matter of precision.
You ducked it earlier so I’ll try again. Since you’re ultra-rational man and you want to be precise with your language, please give a precise, objective definition for “consciousness” since you used that as a threshold earlier.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:13 am to AggieHank86
Serious question: are you autistic?
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:19 am to Flats
quote:I prefer precision, where it is possible. Philosophical concepts do not tend to lend them selves to the same level of precision as scientific ones.
Since you’re ultra-rational man and you want to be precise with your language, please give a precise, objective definition for “consciousness”
The concepts of “consciousness“ and “sapience” present such a situation. There is no universally-accepted definition, but you know that. At its core, however, it references the ability to perceive, analyze, and interact with the environment in a way beyond the purely reflexive. it is far easier to define when it is NOT present, then when it IS. Likewise, it is not a binary toggle switch. It develops over time.
An embryo or fetus in the first- or early-second trimester simply lacks the physical tools to do those things. It no more has “consciousness“ than does a tree or a rock.
Again, you know this.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 7:31 am
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:19 am to sashabaroncohen
quote:No. Are you retarded?
Serious question: are you autistic?
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:26 am to AggieHank86
quote:
An embryo or fetus in the first- or early-second trimester simply lacks the physical tools to do those things. It no more has “consciousness“ than does a tree or a rock. Again, you know this.
Not only do I not know it, you don’t know it either. You’re hand-waving.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 7:28 am
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:42 am to Flats
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Not only do I not know it, you don’t know it either. You’re hand-waving.
That should end this entire argument. No one should support killing babies for any reason but much less a guess about their consciousness. What's crazy is leftist go berserk about cutting trees down but will kill a baby at the drop of a hat. Ole aggie probably cries everytime somebody cuts the grass
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:45 am to AggieHank86
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to the same level of precision as scientific ones.
The old communist belief in anti positive.
You realize your arguments are dead, so you resort to interpretation.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:47 am to burger bearcat
Interesting that being able to get an abortion seems to be the defining characteristic of a "woman" to these people.
Seems at odds with their insistence that trans "women" are women.
Seems at odds with their insistence that trans "women" are women.
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