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re: Nearly ALL current global warming is fabricated: peer reviewed study finds

Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:02 pm to
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If they're selling this slop as "peer-reviewed" and exaggerating their credentials such comments are richly deserved.
Are their credentials exaggerated?

As for peer review in the field of AGW, it SUCKS across the board.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:02 pm to
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But it is true.


Perhaps you should look at the ocean data again

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:02 pm to
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He finished everything but his dissertation but was awarded an honorary doctorate. Yeah. They're credentials are in question.
Yes. It's called ABD (All But Dissertation). Countless people have gotten to that point, but since that is kind of an important part of a PhD, none of them have their Doctorate unless they finish, defend, and have their committee approve their dissertation.

And an Honorary Doctorate is not a valid degree to use as a professional credential. Brian Williams spoke at my college graduation (before he was publicly shamed); he got an Honorary Doctorate. Are you going to stay calling him "Dr. Williams?"
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:03 pm to
Dude your quotes that leave out context are horrible.

It's your signature move.

And you suck at it. Now go mow my lawn.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:05 pm to
They list the credentials of those who agree with the conclusions but don't list them for the main authors. That's beyond bizarre.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:06 pm to
Yeah. So bizarre.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:07 pm to
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Peer reviewed means little to nothing nowadays
Another good point, Tex. It has gone to shite in today's world. Especially as it relates to AGW.


Sorry. I suppose I should have given you credit for "little." I can correct that if you like.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:12 pm to
You aren't too quick and your sense of humor is even worse than I thought if you couldn't get that from all of the other threads about this.

But I would be very angry if I were you too.

Must suck.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:34 pm to
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Land temps are adjusted upwards due to screen design changes

LINK

Ocean temps are adjusted downward due to evaporation while being taken out of the ocean by a bucket

LINK


And all those "adjustments" invalidate the record. They are no more than guesses. That is not science.

Why do you "I'm freaked out about 0.8 degree temp rise in 100 years!!!" types hate science??
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:48 pm to
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And all those "adjustments" invalidate the record.
They may be an additional source of potential error, but they don't invalidate the record.
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That is not science.
What? Any mathematical or statistical model makes assumptions and adjustments to identify patterns. So you would literally be invalidating most of science.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:54 pm to
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And all those "adjustments" invalidate the record. They are no more than guesses. That is not science.
5 out of 4 Americans Do Not Understand Statistics
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:55 pm to
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What? Any mathematical or statistical model makes assumptions and adjustments to identify patterns. So you would literally be invalidating most of science.


Such as what? That said, not every method used in valid in every application. Climate is the most non linear, chaotic systems there is and it is effected by other chaos systems. That said, which of those models predict massive and dire changes to the baseline after a period of time? Can you point out any?
Global Warming Hysteria a the biggest hoax ever foisted on people who should be too intelligent to fall for it.
Which predictions, in the last half century, that these shamen have claimed were "right around the corner" have come to pass?? Can you point some out?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:05 pm to
Thats nice.
4 out of 5 Americans don't understand that statistical analysis requires a different skill set than the skill set required by the people who accumulated the data.

"Numbers don't lie..but liars use numbers"

"There are lies..damn lies..and statistics"
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:10 pm to
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Such as what?


such as the air emissions model/program that I'm currently using

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Which predictions, in the last half century, that these shamen have claimed were "right around the corner" have come to pass?? Can you point some out?


Global temperatures are rising
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:12 pm to
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Global temperatures are rising



I admire your persistence
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:12 pm to
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Such as what?
There are two broad types of controls in science: experimental and statistical. Some reseach lends itself better to providing experimental controls, but statical controls can tease out the complicated aspects that can't be controlled.

I mean any General Linear Model or Generalized Linear Model, relies on underlying assumptions about the data, and then attempts to partition source of variability within and between variables, so identify the patterns and trends to test hypotheses.

In the end, they are all taking a complex system and trying to identify factors for that system to control and a just for various conditions.
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Climate is the most non linear, chaotic systems there is and it is effected by other chaos systems.
Exactly. And the problem is that it's too complicated to control for every factor, which causes error, but that doesn't mean they can't get general estimates.
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Global Warming Hysteria a the biggest hoax ever foisted on people who should be too intelligent to fall for it.
I agree the th hysteria is overblown, but that is largely a result of the political opportunists taking over the narrative. That doesn't somehow invalidate the entire science of it.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:15 pm to
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Global temperatures are rising


Once again. Is the temperature rising towards optimization? Warming from an ice age. Or has it surpassed optimal temperature?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86071 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:17 pm to
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Once again. Is the temperature rising towards optimization? Warming from an ice age. Or has it surpassed optimal temperature?


Relevance?

Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8590 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:23 pm to
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Relevance?


Really? If the earth's natural cycle is to warm and cool on it's on, why are humans trying to control it?

Why do you see the need for a carbon tax if there isn't anything human activity can do to reduce warming if we are just in a cycle? Why the dire warnings if the earth isn't at optimal temperature? What would be the narrative if we were heading the other way? Cooling? Everybody produce more emissions? We are awfully arrogant to think we can control anything.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86071 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:26 pm to
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Really?


Yes, really.

I was simply replaying to a question about what predictions have the models have got right.

You're throwing all this other nonsense on to me because I can admit that the global temperature is rising and defend the science behind it.

Save all your political nonsense for someone else.
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