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re: Nearly ALL current global warming is fabricated: peer reviewed study finds

Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:57 pm to
Can we cut out the middle man of stupid "i don't know do you know? I dont know do you know?" and go straight to no one knows much before we developed more accurate ways to measure?
Posted by texag7
College Station
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:57 pm to
Yes. It is.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:58 pm to
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It makes no sense to ask about optimums without defining what you're optimizing for.
You understand the nature of the Ice Age, yes?

It seems we are roughly at interglacial maximum, yes?

We understand little as to underlying mechanisms driving Ice Age temp fluctuations, but do understand (I presume) most long term climate risks to reflect cooling, right?
Posted by texag7
College Station
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:01 pm to
Can you help Salmon with his claim?

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historically, it's a pretty sharp increase over 100 years


Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:02 pm to
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Many different variables. Some are set. Some are assumed.


Yeah...no. Science doesn't "assume" unknown factors and then peddle the assumptions as dire enough to demand that humankind change it's way of life.

Again..what branch of the field of "emissions" do you work in? Mechanical devices, atmospheric affects, enclosed areas, global??

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Well that isn't true at all

Yes it was...as far as the every same people who were then scaring people about global ice age and are now scaring people about boiling oceans.

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The statistical models made these prediction? Interesting.


Nooo, the statistical analysts that you seem to put such faith in made the dire predictions.
Are you claiming that you have no idea that all these "scientists" are not warning humanity to change their ways or some dire thing will happen (How religiously apocalyptic in nature.."Repent!! Change your ways while there is still time!!").
You're playing willfully ignorant.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:03 pm to
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That's what I thought.
That's a bit like this:

Person A: "Wow Russell Westbrook averaged a triple-double last season with 31.6 points, 10.6 assists, and 10.4 rebounds; that's a rare and impressive feat for a season."

Person B: "What were Oscar Robertson's stats in his triple double season in 61-62?"

Person A:"I don't know. Do you?"

Person B:"That's what I thought."

That's a pretty weak gotcha tex.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:05 pm to
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I think this goes back to thinking humans are made in gods image and so important that we are incapable of wiping ourselves out, without the rapture.

Interesting. How much would you guess the temperatures would have to rise or fall in order to "wipe ourselves out"? How many degrees...just ballpark.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:08 pm to
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historically, it's a pretty sharp increase over 100 years

bullshite. That said, your observation is still a non sequitur. 0.8 degrees has caused zero changes that would threaten human life, don't you agree? If not, what do you see as the nature of this threat?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41286 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:09 pm to
Wow just wow.

Using a 100 year old sport to try to support his definition of "historically".

That's a reach even for you
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:09 pm to
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I do believe, however, that we will solve our pollution problems within the near future


How are these "pollution problems" manifesting themselves?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86071 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:10 pm to
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Yeah...no. Science doesn't "assume" unknown factors


Who said the factors were unknown?

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then peddle the assumptions as dire enough to demand that humankind change it's way of life.


Science doesn't do this. Politicians do this.

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Yes it was...as far as the every same people who were then scaring people about global ice age


No. They were not. Can you provide some examples of this?

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the statistical analysts that you seem to put such faith in made the dire predictions.


Did they? Or did some NYT writer or politician make them?

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Are you claiming that you have no idea that all these "scientists" are not warning humanity to change their ways or some dire thing will happen


I'm sure most are. And we probably should change our ways.

Do you not think we should strive to be cleaner?

Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:11 pm to
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No one is saying the present temperature is right or wrong.


So there is no problem with the temp being what it is now....so why all the demand it be changed?
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26460 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:12 pm to
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How much would you guess the temperatures would have to rise or fall in order to "wipe ourselves out"?


No idea. I wasn't really specifically talking about temperature alone that would hurt us. You can google how much heat a human can take though and apply it to that strawman if you want
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86071 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:13 pm to
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How are these "pollution problems" manifesting themselves?


Well that is quite the broad question, but I'll assume you mean globally

And the data suggests that CO2 emissions are increasing. And the data would suggest that the global temperature is increasing with that.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26460 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:14 pm to
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So there is no problem with the temp being what it is now....so why all the demand it be changed?



I think its really important to understand if you truly think the issue is the warming trend or an issue with current temps.


Because what you're saying here is that you think there is no warming and the current climate is the actual problem that everyone is upset about..

Can you correct yourself here or double down on that
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138593 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:15 pm to
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That's a bit like this:

Person A: "Wow Russell Westbrook averaged a triple-double last season with 31.6 points, 10.6 assists, and 10.4 rebounds; that's a rare and impressive feat for a season."

Person B: "What were Oscar Robertson's stats in his triple double season in 61-62?"

Person A:"I don't know. Do you?"

Person B:"That's what I thought."

That's a pretty weak gotcha tex.
Except it isn't.

Here is the analogy:

Person A: "Wow Russell Westbrook averaged a triple-double last season with 31.6 points, 10.6 assists, and 10.4 rebounds; no player could accomplish that without modern man-made contributions including new diet supplements, computer guided workouts, and air-jordans."

Person B: "What were Oscar Robertson's stats in his triple double season in 61-62?"

Person A:"I don't know. Do you?"

Person B:"That's what I thought."
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86071 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:16 pm to
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Person B: "What were Oscar Robertson's stats in his triple double season in 61-62?"

Person A:"I don't know. Do you?"

Person B:"That's what I thought."


well this analogy fails because Person B obviously knows Oscar's stats because they at least know he averaged a triple double
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26460 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:17 pm to
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61-62


Dont we actually have those well documented though?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:18 pm to
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That's a bit like this:

It's nothing at all like that.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:20 pm to
According to ice core records we would expect a natural drop of 8°C over the next 100,000 years. We've added 1°C in 100. I said this the last time you floated this argument but since you're clearly going there again: Saying AGW is good because it will stave off the glaciers is like burning your house down tomorrow because the winter is forecast to be harsh.
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