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re: NBC Chuck Todd critical of Obama in book just released
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:34 am to trackfan
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:34 am to trackfan
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Obama never channeled his inner LBJ. You can't always get people to do what you want to by sweet talking them. Sometimes you have to twist their arms to make them do what you want. Also, you can't be afraid to use political capital for fear of upsetting people or getting bad press. For example, Truman desegregated the military by executive order, he didn't wait on Congress to act. Conversely, Obama waited for public opinion to turn and Congress to act before he juumped on the gay rights bandwagon, despite the fact he could have used an executive order to change the military's policy just like Turman did. And remember, gay rights is one of the things he campaigned on in 2008. Similarly, he's let down Hispanics by not keeping all the promises he made to them on immigration, because he's afraid of a little political blowback.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:36 am to trackfan
Good lord, trackfan. Where to even begin?
Did we learn some disturbing things about Obama in 2007/2008? Yes, we did. The man's 20 year relationship with a bigot like Jeremiah Wright should have forced Obama out of the race. Any GOP candidate with an association to a similar bigot would've instantly ended that person's campaign. Also, the bigoted remarks Obama made about white people in rural Pennsylvania should've been a huge deal.
But the fact is, the media barely touched those stories. What would've been a feeding frenzy for a GOP candidate was barely a hiccup for Obama.
Regarding MSNBC, it's 2014 now, trackfan. Obama isn't much more than a useless idiot to them now. Still, this Todd book will be the exception to the norm.
I'll let others debate you on how much of a joke MSNBC is. Your contention that they are objective might be the most outlandish non-Muslim comment you've ever made.
Did we learn some disturbing things about Obama in 2007/2008? Yes, we did. The man's 20 year relationship with a bigot like Jeremiah Wright should have forced Obama out of the race. Any GOP candidate with an association to a similar bigot would've instantly ended that person's campaign. Also, the bigoted remarks Obama made about white people in rural Pennsylvania should've been a huge deal.
But the fact is, the media barely touched those stories. What would've been a feeding frenzy for a GOP candidate was barely a hiccup for Obama.
Regarding MSNBC, it's 2014 now, trackfan. Obama isn't much more than a useless idiot to them now. Still, this Todd book will be the exception to the norm.
I'll let others debate you on how much of a joke MSNBC is. Your contention that they are objective might be the most outlandish non-Muslim comment you've ever made.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:41 am to KCT
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Stop being daft
I'm not being daft. The Republican line has always been that they would never challenge Obama, or any D, not that they would wait until it didn't matter.
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Why wouldn't Todd criticize Obama now? Every election that is either directly or indirectly important to Obama has already been held.
By criticizing Obama now, Todd is putting anything he can get accomplished over the next two years in jeopardy. You think R's won't point to a book written by an obvious progressive as an example of why they can't/won't work with Obama?
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The only purpose a little criticism serves now is that it might give some uninformed people the false impression that Todd is actually a professional, objective journalist. Which, of course, he isn't.
I, for one, have never accused Todd, the morons at MSNBC, or the idiots at Fox News of being objective in any way. They're all just an extension of the party they back.
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Remember the narrative in 2008, when the liberals were all saying that a John McCain presidency would simply be a 4-year extension of George Bush? The liberal media is going to do their part to mitigate the assertion that an HRC presidency would effectively be another 4 years of Obama.
I understand the same tired tactics will be used. I see/study them every cycle.
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I said that Obama was mostly useless to the "cause" now, but just wait until he issues that phony EO bestowing a form of legitimacy on millions of illegal aliens. The liberal media will tout Obama as nothing short of being the Abraham Lincoln for brown people.
Have to agree with you there, but where was the public outcry while GWB was issuing hundreds of EOs?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:41 am to KCT
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. Your contention that they are objective might be the most outlandish
I like that he thought BHO should have channeled his inner LBJ (a white bigoted texan a-hole) to be more successful.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:44 am to goatmilker
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I like that he thought BHO should have channeled his inner LBJ (a white bigoted texan a-hole) to be more successful.
That one has bought into the whole "LBJ as a civil rights hero" myth hook, line and sinker.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:46 am to UncleFestersLegs
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Chuck Todd is a left-wing hack who turned to "journalism" after being a democrat political operative. He is a bearded Stephanopoulos or Chris Matthews with a slightly higher than room temp IQ.
LOL. Chuck Todd is a pretty smart guy who is left leaning but does a better job of being neutral than most at NBC. The same is true for Stephanopoulos. To pretend those guys are dumb is just absurd.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:50 am to Taxing Authority
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Obama never channeled his inner LBJ.
He never had it to channel. He simply isn't a leader, nor a persuader.
That's a fair assessment. I think certain characteristic traits are innate, either you have it or you don't.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:57 am to Pettifogger
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LOL. Chuck Todd is a pretty smart guy who is left leaning but does a better job of being neutral than most at NBC. The same is true for Stephanopoulos. To pretend those guys are dumb is just absurd.
Apparently you cant read. The distinguishing IQ feature was between Todd and tingle leg.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:07 am to UncleFestersLegs
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Apparently you cant read. The distinguishing IQ feature was between Todd and tingle leg.
Saying "slightly higher than room temp IQ" still means dumb.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:11 am to trackfan
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Isn't it the publisher that decides when a book gets released?
I am not sure. I would imagine he had some pull. Either way this books is not his only "journalistic" outlet.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:20 am to trackfan
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You can't always get people to do what you want to by sweet talking them.
Yeah, you really missed the mark on that one. There is no "sweet talking" in his repertoire. This is not a man known for his compromising, win-win style of leadership. He is an Alinsky disciple, plain and simple. My way or the highway.
Nice attempt at a re-write though.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:28 am to Pettifogger
Stephanopoulos is smart, but there isn't a bigger hack currently masquerading as a network journalist than him. Stephanopoulos moderated one of the GOP debates in 2012, and even though he was the moderator, he personally engaged Romney in a 3.5 minute debate over a phony hypothetical that GS had postulated regarding birth control. That's when I knew for a fact that the media had received their #waronwomen marching orders from Axelrod and the White House.
Stephanopolous also had one of his cronies on GMA search the internet one morning, trying to find a Tea Party affiliation regarding some idiot who had shot up a Colorado movie theatre. They actually thought they had found somethin, and they were as giddy as a kid on Christmas morning, but they had to backtrack when it was proven that the dude they had googled wasn'teven the shooter.
He has a lot of people fooled, but for my money he's the biggest hack on network news. It wouldn't be so bad if they promoted him as a pundit, but ABC presents him as their #1 hard news journalist.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves in life. So many people are fooled into thinking that hacks like George Stephanopoulos and Katie Couric are actually credible, objectivenews journalists.
Stephanopolous also had one of his cronies on GMA search the internet one morning, trying to find a Tea Party affiliation regarding some idiot who had shot up a Colorado movie theatre. They actually thought they had found somethin, and they were as giddy as a kid on Christmas morning, but they had to backtrack when it was proven that the dude they had googled wasn'teven the shooter.
He has a lot of people fooled, but for my money he's the biggest hack on network news. It wouldn't be so bad if they promoted him as a pundit, but ABC presents him as their #1 hard news journalist.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves in life. So many people are fooled into thinking that hacks like George Stephanopoulos and Katie Couric are actually credible, objectivenews journalists.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:30 am to KCT
I don't think they're objective, and I don't know any educated person who considers him a journalist. He's not terrible on This Week, even though Jake Tapper should have gotten that job.
My respect for him largely comes from All Too Human, which is still one of the better modern political memoirs, IMO.
My respect for him largely comes from All Too Human, which is still one of the better modern political memoirs, IMO.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:44 am to Pettifogger
Okay, but the think you need to understand is that ABC News props George Stephanopoulos up as a hard news journalist. Not a pundit, mind you, but they are presenting him as being an objective, professional hard news journalist.
ABC News uses him as their "go to" journalist when it comes to hosting conventions, moderating debates, etc. They used him to host their election coverage just this past Tuesday night.
I wouldn't have a problem if they acknowledged he was a liberal-biased pundit, but Stephanopoulos is practically the face of ABC News.
That's what makes him a hack.
ABC News uses him as their "go to" journalist when it comes to hosting conventions, moderating debates, etc. They used him to host their election coverage just this past Tuesday night.
I wouldn't have a problem if they acknowledged he was a liberal-biased pundit, but Stephanopoulos is practically the face of ABC News.
That's what makes him a hack.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:04 pm to KCT
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That's what makes him a hack.
And there's the rub. Politicians act in their self-interest. I really dont even have a problem with them being unrepentant liars and thieves. It's what they are at their core.
But a free and independent press is one of the underpinnings of a democracy. Shills who pretend to be impartial watchdogs yet do nothing but regurgitate the lies fed them by those in power are just useful idiots who do damage to the entire system.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:17 pm to roygu
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Time to discard Obama and jump on the Hillary or Warren train.
This is what is going to happen. Looking toward 2016, Dems will now distance themselves from the president hoping people will forget how giddy they were with Obama, even after he was reelected.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:44 pm to KCT
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Stephanopoulos is smart, but there isn't a bigger hack currently masquerading as a network journalist than him.
This.
When he was in the Clinton White House, he was one of the biggest Democratic Party shills ever. Really dedicated to The Cause.
Anybody who believes that he's suddenly some objective journalist has either conveniently forgotten that or never knew it.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:51 pm to KCT
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Stephanopoulos is smart, but there isn't a bigger hack currently masquerading as a network journalist than him. Stephanopoulos moderated one of the GOP debates in 2012, and even though he was the moderator, he personally engaged Romney in a 3.5 minute debate over a phony hypothetical that GS had postulated regarding birth control. That's when I knew for a fact that the media had received their #waronwomen marching orders from Axelrod and the White House.
Stephanopolous also had one of his cronies on GMA search the internet one morning, trying to find a Tea Party affiliation regarding some idiot who had shot up a Colorado movie theatre. They actually thought they had found somethin, and they were as giddy as a kid on Christmas morning, but they had to backtrack when it was proven that the dude they had googled wasn'teven the shooter.
He has a lot of people fooled, but for my money he's the biggest hack on network news. It wouldn't be so bad if they promoted him as a pundit, but ABC presents him as their #1 hard news journalist.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves in life. So many people are fooled into thinking that hacks like George Stephanopoulos and Katie Couric are actually credible, objectivenews journalists.
Interesting how Pubs always bring up the "hacks" who used to work for Democratic Presidents while ignoring who the president of Fox News used to work for Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Rudy Guiliani.
No favoritism there!
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:54 pm to Eurocat
Time for the MSM to dump Obama to pave the way for Hillary.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:54 pm to Wolfhound45
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Yeah, you really missed the mark on that one. There is no "sweet talking" in his repertoire. This is not a man known for his compromising, win-win style of leadership. He is an Alinsky disciple, plain and simple. My way or the highway.
Nice attempt at a re-write though.
If fantasies help you sleep better at night, by all means, please continue to deny reality.
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