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re: Navy vet from Slidell declines award from Saints. Saints take shot back in response
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:14 am to Tiger Prawn
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:14 am to Tiger Prawn
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But on Wednesday, Wells told the organization he was unable "in good conscience, to enter an NFL stadium" while some players "disrespect" the American flag by kneeling or sitting during the anthem.
So rather than allow the team to honor his service, he decided to take a knee?
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Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:15 am to Green Chili Tiger
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So rather than allow the team to honor his service, he decided to take a knee?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:17 am to FultonReed
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Probably still the most popular sport in the country...
MLB just wrapped up a World Series for the ages.
That doesn't help the NFL right now.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:17 am to Green Chili Tiger
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So rather than allow the team to honor his service, he decided to take a knee?
Good thing the billion dollar organization put that one dude in his place.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:18 am to Green Chili Tiger
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So rather than allow the team to honor his service,
Evidently, he would rather not be honored, when all the rest of the military is not being shown their due respect.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:18 am to Tiger Prawn
"It is when they kneel in protest during a moment of silence for an NOPD officer who was killed in the line of duty."
That was horrible how that worked out and I don't think the players or the fans who were booing realized what was going on. At least from my seat, that looked more like a organizational miscue than intentional disrespect. But I do agree that their kneeling at the fans booing at that time made for an awful moment.
"And its still an anti-police protest. IMO its still disrespectful even if its before the anthem"
I think what you're saying here is that you disagree with the merits of their protest. I have no problem with that. But I don't see how can view actions before the anthem as disrespectful to the flag or anthem.
That was horrible how that worked out and I don't think the players or the fans who were booing realized what was going on. At least from my seat, that looked more like a organizational miscue than intentional disrespect. But I do agree that their kneeling at the fans booing at that time made for an awful moment.
"And its still an anti-police protest. IMO its still disrespectful even if its before the anthem"
I think what you're saying here is that you disagree with the merits of their protest. I have no problem with that. But I don't see how can view actions before the anthem as disrespectful to the flag or anthem.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:19 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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kneeling BEFORE the anthem plays cannot reasonably be construed as disrespectful
They are saying that the nation providing them with the, opportunity to earn multi-million dollar paychecks to play a game is oppressive and racist.
That itself is disrespectful.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:20 am to TigersSEC2010
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Not accepting a reward is not divisive. Kneeling during the anthem because you're a fricking retard who hates cops IS divisive.
This.
Saints took an L on this one.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:20 am to N.O. via West-Cal
it's the classic...you stick your finger a centimeter from someone's face and say "i'm not touching you"
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:21 am to HonoraryCoonass
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when all the rest of the military is not being shown their due respect.
Like when certain people say that former POWs aren't heroes because they were captured?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:22 am to HonoraryCoonass
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Evidently, he would rather not be honored, when all the rest of the military is not being shown their due respect.
FFS. There is nothing these players are doing that disrespects the military. If anything, all the fricking whining about their actions is disrespectful.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:23 am to Tiger Prawn
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Wells told the organization he was unable "in good conscience, to enter an NFL stadium" while some players "disrespect" the American flag by kneeling or sitting during the anthem. Some Saints players in recent weeks have kneeled before the anthem, then stood while the anthem is sung.
"Although I am touched and honored to be selected for such an award, the ongoing controversy with NFL players' disrespect for the national flag forces me to decline to participate in the presentation," Wells said. ""Since this award is tainted with the dishonorable actions of the NFL and its players, I cannot accept it. To do so would be hypocritical."
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"We will not allow Mr. Wells' decision and subsequent media appearances to distract our players and organization from continuing to honor and support our military and veterans. We, as an organization, have decided to move on from this sad and divisive discourse and focus our attention on supporting our military and veterans."
Both sides are idiotic on this story. Wells comes off like an ignorant cry baby little bitch. And the Saints organization comes off like petty pussies.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:25 am to Tiger Prawn
Awful PR move by the Saints and the NFL. They need to offer a retraction and an apology, not only to Cmdr. Wells, but all military. Both active and veteran.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:26 am to Tiger Prawn
Didn't some Saints players "protest" a few weeks ago during the memorial service for the dead police officer?
Yeah, they did.
Frick the Saints for taking my tax money and disrespecting our service men and women.
Yeah, they did.
Frick the Saints for taking my tax money and disrespecting our service men and women.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:26 am to Breesus
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Wells comes off like an ignorant cry baby little bitch.
While, I probably wouldn't word it this way, in a sense, I sort of agree with your sentiment.
The problem is, you're a billion dollar organization attempting to appeal to literally EVERYONE in a 500 mile radius versus one dude.
This PR guy and everyone else who allowed/approved the response should be hung out to dry.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:28 am to DelU249
"t's the classic...you stick your finger an centimeter from someone's face and say "i'm not touching you"
If that's your perception, fine, but I don't see that analogy as fitting at all. I see more "we have an issue we want to make a statement on but having considered the feelings of those who disagree with our making that statement during the national anthem, we have changed the manner of our expression so that our kneeling concludes and we can call stand at attention during the national anthem."
If that's your perception, fine, but I don't see that analogy as fitting at all. I see more "we have an issue we want to make a statement on but having considered the feelings of those who disagree with our making that statement during the national anthem, we have changed the manner of our expression so that our kneeling concludes and we can call stand at attention during the national anthem."
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:29 am to Y.A. Tittle
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The problem is, you're a billion dollar organization attempting to appeal to literally EVERYONE in a 500 mile radius versus one dude.
This is what people are failing to get.
Commander Wells isn't the loser on this one. At least not in terms of optics.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:32 am to hogcard1964
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They need to offer a retraction and an apology, not only to Cmdr. Wells, but all military. Both active and veteran.
They should apologize to all military for saying this?
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"We will not allow Mr. Wells' decision and subsequent media appearances to distract our players and organization from continuing to honor and support our military and veterans. We, as an organization, have decided to move on from this sad and divisive discourse and focus our attention on supporting our military and veterans."
Really?
I agree the wording and optics are bad in regards to Wells, but saying they will continue to honor the military and will stay focused on supporting the military and veterans shouldn't require an apology to the military and veterans.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:34 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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That was horrible how that worked out and I don't think the players or the fans who were booing realized what was going on. At least from my seat, that looked more like a organizational miscue than intentional disrespect. But I do agree that their kneeling at the fans booing at that time made for an awful moment.
The players were so worried about doing their little protest that they didn't pay attention to what was being announced over the PA about honoring the officer with a moment of silence or that the video screens in the dome had his picture up on it.
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I think what you're saying here is that you disagree with the merits of their protest. I have no problem with that. But I don't see how can view actions before the anthem as disrespectful to the flag or anthem.
It started as an anthem protest by Kaepernick. Public perception will continue to view it that way. By kneeling before the anthem, as another poster said, its now like a kid sticking his finger 2 inches from your face and saying "i'm not touching you"
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:36 am to Tiger Prawn
Anyone looking to give away 2 tickets for Saints this weekend? I'll drive to you to pick up.
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