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Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:53 pm to oogabooga68
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:53 pm to oogabooga68
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But in Schools across America we DO talk about the evils of slavery.
In the context of US history.
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Only whitey is mentioned and demonized.
Again US history.
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It could be presented as simply as:" Slavery is evil and throughout world History, every race has profited from and been victimized by slavery. No particular group is innocent in this regard."
How do you teach YS history without talking about it more than this?
You accuse the communists of altering history and you’re trying to whitewash one of the single most significant driving factors in US history.
You can’t talk about colonial history in the south, the drafting of the constitution, or the civil war without discussing Slavery.
But yeah I’m sure the communist would love to teach your kids how the rich and powerful consistently slave the weak and poor and how this can go beyond pure chattel slavery into wage slavery.
That’s right up their alley.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 12:57 pm
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:55 pm to StringedInstruments
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But this is where the crux of the issue lies. We can't forcefeed information and expect kids to think for themselves. So we open up the standards to be more interpretative in how they are implemented with the hopes that students use them to develop critical thinking skills.
Frankly, you don't come across like you're aware of your own industry/state of education in America. You're going on about "forcefeeding information" and interpretive standards implemented with hope - - - dude, how about teach the little frickers how to read? I mean, just read. Literally.
98% of inner city seniors in America could not read your flowery sentences and take something rational away. Hell, 75% of inner city high school graduates can't read a Wendy's menu board. And it's not just the inner city where we see inexcusable levels of academic performance.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:58 pm to SammyTiger
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In the context of US history.
You don't really think in 2022 teachers are staying on point and teaching things strictly within the scope of accepted Historical context, do you?
We have Math teachers who wax poetic about the evils of whiteness.
We have History teachers railing about Trans issues.
We can't have a germane line that puts America's comparatively short involvement in the slave trade in context?
Is it not important to point out that America not only wasn't alone in this sin, but has since done more than all other nations combined to atone for it?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:02 pm to SammyTiger
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Only whitey is mentioned and demonized.
Again US history.
False! Slave owners included Whites, blacks and American Indians. In fact the number of black slave owners numbered in the thousands. This is factual US History. Now why isn't that being taught.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:08 pm to the_truman_shitshow
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There is a stark difference between objective analysis vs. indoctrination/inculcation of an ideology. We have schools currently teaching that our constitution was built upon racist principles.
Which would be wrong IMO. I just don't have much evidence that this is happening on a state-written curricular level. I know in Alabama, there's nothing that states history teachers should teach that our constitution was built upon racist principles. If some teachers are attempting to use standards to push that narrative, then I would question their intentions as an educator. Wholly agree that is a serious problem.
On the other hand, if a teacher gave a student a project to perform an analysis of, say, the founding principles that formed America, and they argued based on sources that our constitution was built on racist principles, then that would be meeting the standard. (Assuming the standard was to research and make a conclusion about something in history.) That's technically *thinking for themselves* even if their conclusions are potentially dangerous. A good teacher might help them challenge their sources, but if we're identifying "thinking for themselves" as a need for cultivating a democratic republic, then we have to loosen the leash at some point.
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These are ideologies which can be interpreted as gospel by young and impressionable minds and therefore should be avoided.
Going back to my rhetorical analysis example, couldn't this be an opportunity to identify flaws in their argument? Would a teacher using these sources as examples of misinformation be more politically accepted by the right?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:09 pm to oogabooga68
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You don't really think in 2022 teachers are staying on point and teaching things strictly within the scope of accepted Historical context, do you?
Yes. You’re arguing about random occurances. The norm is This is being taught in social studies classes.
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We can't have a germane line that puts America's comparatively short involvement in the slave trade in context? Is it not important to point out that America not only wasn't alone in this sin, but has since done more than all other nations combined to atone for it?
We can’t ONLY have the line you proposed, but I would Be fine having a lesson about slavery in the world, and comparisons between.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:11 pm to David_DJS
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dude, how about teach the little frickers how to read? I mean, just read. Literally.
That's a complicated issue. You know that. It's not a Marxist-driven teacher that's preventing kids from learning to read. It's a cultural issue at home that's the problem.
Lower socioeconomic areas struggle to raise kids that do well in school. Doesn't matter if it's urban, rural, white, black, left wing, or right wing.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:20 pm to StringedInstruments
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That's a complicated issue. You know that. It's not a Marxist-driven teacher that's preventing kids from learning to read. It's a cultural issue at home that's the problem. Lower socioeconomic areas struggle to raise kids that do well in school. Doesn't matter if it's urban, rural, white, black, left wing, or right wing.
All struggle is class struggle
Am I right?
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:22 pm to SammyTiger
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but I would Be fine having a lesson about slavery in the world, and comparisons between.
Have an upvote, Commie (jk).....
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:24 pm to SammyTiger
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All struggle is class struggle Am I right?
No.
All struggle is cultural struggle.
This whole "rich people bad, poor people good" bullshite pushed by the Left (many of whom hypocritically, are wealthy) is manna for idiots.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:30 pm to oogabooga68
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All struggle is cultural struggle. This whole "rich people bad, poor people good" bullshite pushed by the Left (many of whom hypocritically, are wealthy) is manna for idiots.
It’s weird that rich and poor people still exist across all cultures.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:31 pm to StringedInstruments
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That's a complicated issue. You know that. It's not a Marxist-driven teacher that's preventing kids from learning to read. It's a cultural issue at home that's the problem.
Lower socioeconomic areas struggle to raise kids that do well in school. Doesn't matter if it's urban, rural, white, black, left wing, or right wing.
I think this is a copout. In this vein of the thread, drop the Marxism crap. I'm talking about the competency of schools and teachers, and it's a copout to suggest that 3rd graders can't read (at all) because there's not enough money in their household. Unless you're arguing that 90% of 1st graders are not showing up for school, and I mean "ever" - it's inexcusable that they can't be taught to read.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:40 pm to David_DJS
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I'm talking about the competency of schools and teachers, and it's a copout to suggest that 3rd graders can't read (at all) because there's not enough money in their household. Unless you're arguing that 90% of 1st graders are not showing up for school, and I mean "ever" - it's inexcusable that they can't be taught to read.
When we're talking about schools that have extreme issues in regards to being on grade level for reading and math, we're also talking about schools that are facing extreme issues with behavior, truancy, and support from home. It makes a teacher's job almost impossible. Inner city schools especially are dealing with significant rates of violence, bullying, assault, disrespect, skipping, etc. Not only does this detract from a teacher's ability to teach kids, it also drives away decent teachers from working in those environments.
Why would I ever consider leaving an environment with supportive parents and well-mannered kids for a environment with a constant barrage of behavior issues? Why would a good teacher not look to leave a struggling school for one in an easier environment?
Add into the fact that many parents in those areas don't offer any home structures conducive for learning, and you've got a large group of kids with very little chance of finding success.
I don't know what the solution could be. I think you're leaning on public education doing a better job of educating those kids. I can tell you first hand that it's very, very difficult to teach a class with a disruptive kid. It's even harder to teach the disruptive kid.
Teachers would lean on parents. Administrators and politicians ask for money.
I'm not sure how to solve it.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:44 pm to StringedInstruments
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When we're talking about schools that have extreme issues in regards to being on grade level for reading and math, we're also talking about schools that are facing extreme issues with behavior, truancy, and support from home. It makes a teacher's job almost impossible. Inner city schools especially are dealing with significant rates of violence, bullying, assault, disrespect, skipping, etc. Not only does this detract from a teacher's ability to teach kids, it also drives away decent teachers from working in those environments.
It doesn’t help that we’re using systems and curricula that are demonstrated failures at teaching the science of reading.
That is, in my estimation, by design. The goal is to fail these students. If they are taught to read and be productive members of society, their political value to the educational powers becomes zero.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:49 pm to SammyTiger
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WORLD history is still 90% western Civ in most schools.
You think Chinese schools teach Western Civ?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:54 pm to StringedInstruments
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When we're talking about schools that have extreme issues in regards to being on grade level for reading and math, we're also talking about schools that are facing extreme issues with behavior, truancy, and support from home. It makes a teacher's job almost impossible. Inner city schools especially are dealing with significant rates of violence, bullying, assault, disrespect, skipping, etc. Not only does this detract from a teacher's ability to teach kids, it also drives away decent teachers from working in those environments.
First graders? You're arguing that our public schools can't teach first graders to read because their teacher is facing extreme behavior and truancy issues, including violence and bullying? I don't buy it. At all.
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I don't know what the solution could be. I think you're leaning on public education doing a better job of educating those kids. I can tell you first hand that it's very, very difficult to teach a class with a disruptive kid. It's even harder to teach the disruptive kid.
But somehow it is done in certain places and at certain times. Tell you what - give me 25 (students) x $10K (probably 70% of per student spend) and a classroom in south Phoenix, and I will guarantee 15 of them will be reading at grade level. 15/25 is only 60%, but that's about 3x better than the education industry is giving us now.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:56 pm to David_DJS
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First graders? You're arguing that our public schools can't teach first graders to read because their teacher is facing extreme behavior and truancy issues, including violence and bullying? I don't buy it. At all.
I think you might be surprised by the level of violence in elementary school classrooms.
And because of Dept of Ed. guidelines, a kid could bring a knife to school in 3rd grade and be back in 10 days. You read that correctly.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:58 pm to David_DJS
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But somehow it is done in certain places and at certain times. Tell you what - give me 25 (students) x $10K (probably 70% of per student spend) and a classroom in south Phoenix, and I will guarantee 15 of them will be reading at grade level. 15/25 is only 60%, but that's about 3x better than the education industry is giving us now.
This is also correct. You could teach the kids from the McGuffey reader and be better off than we are today.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:02 pm to the808bass
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I think you might be surprised by the level of violence in elementary school classrooms.
And because of Dept of Ed. guidelines, a kid could bring a knife to school in 3rd grade and be back in 10 days. You read that correctly.
This could be, but I doubt it's true across the patch, or at a level that's driving the low academic achievement we are seeing nearly everywhere.
But then I ask, why do teachers and their unions fight school choice so hard? Why are they sentencing these kids to a classroom where violence is such a daily issue that nearly nobody can learn to read?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:04 pm to the808bass
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You think Chinese schools teach Western Civ?
You think this thread is about Chinese Schools?
What the frick are you talking about?
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