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Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:06 pm to StringedInstruments
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:06 pm to StringedInstruments
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But you did include numerous authors whose books were intentionally written for and have been used for developing a left wing perspective
Here's my retort: There is a stark difference between objective analysis vs. indoctrination/inculcation of an ideology. We have schools currently teaching that our constitution was built upon racist principles. This is vastly different from taking a work, for example, like "Mein Kampf", and performing on objective analysis surrounding the historical context and socio-political significance of Germany in the 1930s. Are we pushing Nazism by studying this text? No. And this is something that has happened in the past.
If we were to take a work by Kimberle Crenshaw (Intersectionality) or Derrick Bell (Critical Race Theory) and initiated an in-depth study on their arguments on why modern-day America is built upon racist systems of foundation, then we have a real problem - because it pertains to the current times and the inherent message is one that is being repeated ad infinitum by our complicit mainstream media, institutions and our political leaders (one voice). These are ideologies which can be interpreted as gospel by young and impressionable minds and therefore should be avoided.
Let me ask you - would you be okay if your kindergartner's teacher started reading homosexual fantasy stories in the classroom? After all, it's a kid's story - no harm in that right? Tell me why that is wrong?
There is thing called discretion. But that all goes out the window when there is an inherent political agenda.
And the Left will come back and say, "but how can be apply effective discretionary measures when there is no standard against which to compare?"
PRECISELY!
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:08 pm to Screaming Viking
Funny how quick that goal post gets moved when you bend the knee.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:09 pm to StringedInstruments
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The claim is that public education is a dangerous environment because it’s a breeding ground for Marxist ideology.
That’s not actually what I’m arguing.
I’m arguing that education has been Marxified (like everything from being fat to being gay to being black).
Replace “education” with “capital” in Marx’s original framework.
Education has been a tool of the oppressors to keep the oppressed down.
The oppressors have determined what students should learn.
But those determinations only serve to perpetuate the dominant and oppressive system.
In place of learning competency and facts, students should learn political realities and develop a literacy of culture, race and sexuality over and above facts and “book learning.”
Through this new education, focused on lived experiences, the old, dominant and oppressive system of education can be reshaped into something culturally relevant.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:09 pm to SammyTiger
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Except when they point out who owned slaves.
Throughout History, black people have owned slaves, yellow people have owned slaves, red people have owned slaves, white people have owned slaves.
Only ONE of those group has spent billions of dollars and spilled the most blood in an attempt at reparations.
White people should feel the least guilty of all when it comes to slavery .
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:12 pm to oogabooga68
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Throughout History, black people have owned slaves, yellow people have owned slaves, red people have owned slaves, white people have owned slaves.
If we spent any time teaching African or Asian history in public schools You might have a point.
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Only ONE of those group has spent billions of dollars and spilled the most blood in an attempt at reparations.
Reparations?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:12 pm to SammyTiger
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Except when they point out who owned slaves.
Sammy. No one cares when it’s pointed out that whites had blacks as slaves 150 years ago. If you tell my daughter she’s an oppressor because someone she’s not even related to had slaves 150 years ago, I have a problem.
You, on the other hand, think that’s “education.”
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:13 pm to the808bass
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Sammy. No one cares when it’s pointed out that whites had blacks as slaves 150 years ago. If you tell my daughter she’s an oppressor because someone she’s not even related to had slaves 150 years ago, I have a problem.
That’s bullshite
Anytime someone is critical of Jefferson or Washington y’all cry about cultural Marxism.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:15 pm to SammyTiger
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If we spent any time teaching African or Asian history in public schools You might have a point.
There's a reason it's called WORLD History, dumbass....
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:15 pm to the808bass
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Education has been a tool of the oppressors to keep the oppressed down.
Solid point.
I've argued since "systemic racism" became a narrative that if there is something akin to systemic racism in this country, it's public education. Inner city schools have cynically and efficiently kept blacks voting for Dems at an over 90% clip. And it's a given that public education is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:17 pm to the_truman_shitshow
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This is yet another example of the symptoms of moral relativism. What is "your" truth one may ask? My response: There is only one truth, there is no such thing as "your" truth and "my" truth. The ongoing war is one that is spiritual with a political and socio-cultural veneer. Marxism has been a foundational component of the coming New World Order.
I said several years ago when the Dims/Groomers began using the terms, "my/your truth"......"my/your reality"....I knew society's spiral into mass mental illness was inevitable.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:19 pm to SammyTiger
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Anytime someone is critical of Jefferson or Washington y’all cry about cultural Marxism.
That's because the "criticism" is usually coming from someone whose very life is infinitely better because of the sacrifices and works of those "terrible" men.
You fkers stand on the shoulders of giants, reap the benefits of their blood and sacrifice then bitch and moan about how evil those people were.
Put your money where your mouth is and move to one of those 3rd World Utopias whose existence didn't come at the expense of "the little guy" getting trampled by great men like Washington and Jefferson....
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:20 pm to SammyTiger
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Anytime someone is critical of Jefferson or Washington y’all cry about cultural Marxism.
That’s probably partly true and partly obfuscatory.
The criticism of Jefferson or Washington isn’t typically aimed at saying “slavery is bad” or even “Washington had a blind spot in his morality when it came to slavery.” It’s just an opening salvo against the foundational principles of the country. “Jefferson owned slaves and he wrote the Constitution. Ergo the Constitution is racist and needs to be rewritten.” The latter is absolutely cultural Marxism.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:20 pm to oogabooga68
WORLD history is still 90% western Civ in most schools.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:21 pm to Bass Tiger
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"my/your truth"......"my/your reality"....I knew society's spiral into mass mental illness was inevitable.
What if carpenters and architects started building things based on "their truth measurements".
Can my 45º angle be different than yours?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:22 pm to SammyTiger
You trying to say that in the US we're teaching kids about the evils of brown, black, yellow and red people owning slaves?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:31 pm to oogabooga68
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You trying to say that in the US we're teaching kids about the evils of brown, black, yellow and red people owning slaves?
No I’m saying in the US we don’t teach kids much at all about African, Asian or Precolonial American history
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:36 pm to SammyTiger
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No I’m saying in the US we don’t teach kids much at all about African, Asian or Precolonial American history
But in Schools across America we DO talk about the evils of slavery.
Only whitey is mentioned and demonized.
It could be presented as simply as:" Slavery is evil and throughout world History, every race has profited from and been victimized by slavery.
No particular group is innocent in this regard."
You think the Commies would go for it?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:40 pm to David_DJS
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My answer would be - breeding ground for Marxism starts with an ignorant population incapable of thinking for itself.
But this is where the crux of the issue lies. We can't forcefeed information and expect kids to think for themselves. So we open up the standards to be more interpretative in how they are implemented with the hopes that students use them to develop critical thinking skills.
I do admit that I don't have experience with the struggling urban areas. I've taught at three schools, all of which are from wealthy areas with high achieving students.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:43 pm to StringedInstruments
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I've taught at three schools, all of which are from wealthy areas with high achieving students.
i.e., "Mostly white"....
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:45 pm to StringedInstruments
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We can't forcefeed information and expect kids to think for themselves.
In 2022, the Education Industrial Complex IS force feeding kids and PUNISHING those who dare think for themselves.
I get it, you wanna protect your tribe, but in modern America, the vast majority of Public School teachers have become Leftist, POS robots more interested in indoctrination than education.
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