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re: Nadler on the floor: I have not heard one substantive defense to the Preseident's crime
Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:52 pm to Zach
Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:52 pm to Zach
I didn't watch the hearing, but it would have been perfect if a republican would have used his time today to read Nadler's "undo an election" speech from the Clinton impeachment.
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Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:52 pm to MrLSU
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He Obstructed Justice by Abusing his Power and he Abused his Power by Obstructing Justice. How much more circular do I need to get
Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:53 pm to FooManChoo
Dude really? Two scoops!
Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:55 pm to arseinclarse
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crime
Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:56 pm to arseinclarse
You don't need "substantive" (assume he means affirmative) defenses when those responsible for making their prima facie case have failed to meet their burden of persuasion.
I realize basic concepts of due process and fair play do not apply here. So I'll continue to ignore this entire charade.
I realize basic concepts of due process and fair play do not apply here. So I'll continue to ignore this entire charade.
This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:57 pm to arseinclarse
A republican member made an excellent point in the hearing today, as I caught bits and pieces over lunch.
He said (paraphrasing) that if congress can impeach on purely partisan lines over simple differences in political opinion, there are no separation of powers since the president now serves at the pleasure of congress.
Democrats don't want to admit this, but they are fricking with some fundamental shite here that we cant turn back from.
He said (paraphrasing) that if congress can impeach on purely partisan lines over simple differences in political opinion, there are no separation of powers since the president now serves at the pleasure of congress.
Democrats don't want to admit this, but they are fricking with some fundamental shite here that we cant turn back from.
This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/18/19 at 1:57 pm to arseinclarse
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How does one raise a substantive defense to a crime that was made up?
How does one raise a substantive defense when the Dem's blocked that defense?
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:01 pm to arseinclarse
I have not heard one substantive reason you can't eat that fruit
--Satan
--Satan
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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He said (paraphrasing) that if congress can impeach on purely partisan lines over simple differences in political opinion, there are no separation of powers since the president now serves at the pleasure of congress.
By the same token, if there is no separation of powers, there are no checks and balances. By that rationale, there’s nothing stopping Trump, as Commander-in-Chief, from unilaterally declaring martial law, suspending habeas corpus, and marching troops into the House chamber to arrest House Democrats.
These people are treading down a very dangerous path.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:02 pm to arseinclarse
How the frick do you allow this to be the congressman representing you?
This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:04 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:06 pm to Hurricane Mike
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How does one raise a substantive defense when the Dem's blocked that defense?
That's what's so shocking about his statement. It isn't as if a thorough and fair defense would have changed his mind (it wouldn't have). Its that he and Schiff never allowed it to even happen.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:07 pm to arseinclarse
If there was a crime, any crime, why wasn’t it included in the articles?
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:08 pm to Vacherie Saint
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the president now serves at the pleasure of congress.
And Nancy Pelosi is thinking to herself "Wow... they finally get it."
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:09 pm to DyeHardDylan
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If there was a crime, any crime, why wasn’t it included in the articles?
"You'll have to ask the people that drafted the articles of impeachment. I'm sure they had valid reasons."
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:09 pm to Vacherie Saint
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This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:10 pm to arseinclarse
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No one has attempted to defend against our baseless claims.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:16 pm to cahoots
The numbers were pretty close in 1974 with Nixon in the WH and the Dems having solid majorities in both houses thanks to the “Watergate Babies”.
Per what I can find, the Dems held 60 after that election.
Per what I can find, the Dems held 60 after that election.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:16 pm to cahoots
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But you still need 2/3 vote to remove. And when was the last time that one party had 2/3 of the senate and the other party held the white house? I think the answer is never.
That's by design. It's almost impossible to remove a president without some bipartisan voting.
Unlikely /= impossible. Precedent is now set.
But hey, if this makes you feel better about democrats executing the first partisan impeachment on pure political grounds in our nation's history, then hooray for you, I guess.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 2:22 pm to arseinclarse
Inability to disprove does not prove.
That is not how any of this works. It is sad that the majority of sheepizens and illegal sheep in this country don't know any better when they hear crap like this.
That is not how any of this works. It is sad that the majority of sheepizens and illegal sheep in this country don't know any better when they hear crap like this.
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