re: Myth of Robert E. Lee: Legend of Robert E. Lee's heroism and decency is based on fiction

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Lincoln would have told you the black race was inferior to the white race,


I think I have posted -three- times on -this- thread that Lincoln is on the record supporting the vote for black soldiers.

"It is also unsatisfactory to some that the elective franchise is not given to the colored man. I would myself prefer that it were now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers."

4/11/65

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Maybe you missed where he said if you could go back to 1860...

Lincoln 1858:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

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No. I don't have a dog in this evil south virtuous north fight. I just point out you like to call us presidents war criminals even though the us never adopted the icc.

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I think I have posted -three- times on -this- thread that Lincoln is on the record supporting the vote for black soldiers.

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I think I am on record as posting that you can't read. If not...let's put that on record right here and now. Notice I said the year 1860 and not April 11, 1865. The Lincoln of 1857-60 was not the same as the Lincoln of 1864-65.

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He wasn't.

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The CSA didn’t really have much success on the battlefield

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Lee had as little success outside Virginia as various federal generals had within it. He is vastly overrated. After he wrecked his own army for offensive operations

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All bullshite here.. If Lee had the northern war machine and resources that McClellan and Grant had he would have won the war in less than 2 years.

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Maybe you missed where he said if you could go back to 1860... Lincoln 1858: "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

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His ideas grew and changed.

Lee and the Southern government knew total victory wasn't going to be possible. Their only hope was to outlast the North's resolve to fight. Lee led a band of shoeless, starving soldiers almost to the doorstep of Washington DC with no way of replenishing his resources or man power. Name one other general in that period or hell.... any period who could have done better against those odds. You claim that he was overrated.. did he make mistakes? yep... Did he begin to feel his army was invincible before Gettysburg?? Yep But was he overrated?? Hell no man

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Lee and the Southern government knew total victory wasn't going to be possible. Their only hope was to outlast the North's resolve to fight. Lee led a band of shoeless, starving soldiers almost to the doorstep of Washington DC with no way of replenishing his resources or man power. Name one other general in that period or hell.... any period who could have done better against those odds. You claim that he was overrated.. did he make mistakes? yep... Did he begin to feel his army was invincible before Gettysburg?? Yep But was he overrated?? Hell no man

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He was a loser and he is a hero to losers.

Further, the rebs held every expectation to win a military victory. Your ignorance does not become you. The secesh thought that Britain would intervene on their side. They burned bales of cotton to create a shortage.

"The first eighteen months of the Civil War were critical to its outcome, not only because of what happened on the battlefields in America but also on what transpired in the policymaking rooms in Europe. The war hung in the balance as Lincoln searched for a general and tried to keep the four Border States (slave states that had not seceded) of Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and Missouri in the Union, while Davis commanded an army that succeeded in the East but stumbled in the West, and relied on King Cotton Diplomacy to force European nations to grant recognition. Unfortunately for the South, its bumper crops in the two years previous to the war had allowed the two chief benefactors of that trade, Britain and France, to stock huge surpluses that freed them from economic pressure throughout this pivotal period.[2]"

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Rebel efforts both political and military were basically pathetic and ineffective.

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Lee led a band of shoeless, starving soldiers almost to the doorstep of Washington DC

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He did not. Jubal Early did.

Can you not see how stupid that sounds? Starving? Shoeless?

President Lincoln offered the south $400,000,000 in February 1865 with the so-called CSA teetering on disaster - if they would end the war.


"The national resources, then, are unexhausted, and, as we believe, inexhaustible."

A. Lincoln 12/6/64

What kind of general was Lee if his troops were shoeless and starving?

A bad general - a very bad general.

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Don't you know -anything-?

At this point, I think it is best to just stop responding to WP. At least that is what I have done. He has some sort of unnatural fixation with the evil southerners vs the altruistic northerners that is akin to the ISIS death-cult mental dysfunction. Best to leave him frothing on the side to the road and pass him by.

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When the neo rebs put their ignorance and willful disinformation on display it needs to be countered.

It is pretty much that simple. I never start these threads and I would be glad to see them stop.

The heroes of the Civil War are the men who rallied to to Colors of the United States. And none others are.