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re: Myth of Robert E. Lee: Legend of Robert E. Lee's heroism and decency is based on fiction
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:14 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to lay it on well, an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine
Good guy that Bobby Lee, so cruel that even a plantation overseer refused his sadistic whims.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 4:15 pm
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:21 pm to montanagator
quote:The article makes it very clear he was doing this for the black slaves' own good.
Good guy that Bobby Lee, so cruel that even a plantation overseer refused his sadistic whims.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:25 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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It was the slave power that first resorted to coercion to fill its army.
Yes, I remember that well. It was so bad they had riots in New York City because people were so anxious to go fight the South.
They were so fired up to go after the South, the Bishop of New York City had to be called out to try and stop them.
4,000 Union troops fresh from Gettysburg were sent to NYC to "train" these eager men to go fight the south.
Unfortunately the New Yorkers were so fired up over 100 were killed and several blacks were actually hung.
That's what you call eager to serve?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:30 pm to Bench McElroy
Scum flocking on here to redicule a dead man that can no longer defend himself. Scum spreading their revisionist history lies about one of the top three men this country ever produced.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:33 pm to WhiskeyPapa
"The author does draw a conclusion from the quotes and the quotes lay out the real Lee, who was pretty creepy."
To some degree I say "fair enough," but you obviously have your agenda and, like, the author of The Atlantic piece, you're leaning heavily on some quotes, some of which are second-hand and disputed, and largely ignoring contemporary accounts and opinions which were much more favorable.
To some degree I say "fair enough," but you obviously have your agenda and, like, the author of The Atlantic piece, you're leaning heavily on some quotes, some of which are second-hand and disputed, and largely ignoring contemporary accounts and opinions which were much more favorable.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:33 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:First, as suspension of habeas corpus demonstrates, this was not a "normal course of events".
The federal government had no power to affect slavery in the normal course of events until the 13th amendment was passed.
Second, the 13th Amendment was NOT required to free Northern slaves, as was demonstrated through Compensated Emancipation.
Third, Lincoln could have easily pushed for the 13th Amendment in 1862.
He didn't.
He could have pushed for it in 1863.
He didn't.
He could have pushed for it before the US Senate did in 1864.
He didn't.
It was basically not until the new year of 1865 that Lincoln actively pushed for the 13th Amendment.
By then R E Lee's slaves had been free for two years.
Don't you know -anything-?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:35 pm to Bench McElroy
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But despite his ability to win individual battles, his decision to fight a conventional war against the more densely populated and industrialized North is considered by many historians to have been a fatal strategic error.
I'm confused as to what the above quote is asserting.
Is it asserting that Lee made the decision to fight the Union at all (Which would be a ludicrous statement) or that he made a mistake fighting the Union straight up?
I seriously don't know what the person is getting at.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:37 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:Like U.S. Grant?
and largely ignoring contemporary accounts and opinions which were much more favorable.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:38 pm to Scoop
quote:Neither does the person. But the OP thought it sounded good.
I seriously don't know what the person is getting at.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:40 pm to Scoop
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I seriously don't know what the person is getting at.
He says that it was a mistake to go on the offensive (Gettysburg), and it was a mistake to fight defensively (Chancellorsville).
What's so hard to understand?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:53 pm to The Boat
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Fake history lib bullshite
Lee's 1856 letter to his wife is fake? The Declarations of Secession are fake? Claims that Lee broke up slave families are fabricated?
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:56 pm to rhett
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rhett
Member since Jun 2017
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Oh man.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:01 pm to AU86
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Scum spreading their revisionist history lies
How is quoting primary sources "revisionist history"?
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:01 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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The so-called CSA had no chance to win a conventional war
Of course not, but by not allowing rouge units of his army to use gorilla tactics, he at the very least showed what type of commander he was in regards to his respect for Union soldiers.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:04 pm to texashorn
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Can't wait to read the article titled The Myth of Martin Luther King.
When will liberals publicize his affinity for white women? A man of the cloth, indeed.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:07 pm to montanagator
quote:It isn't. That is how a couple of "history channel" believers in this thread have gotten their asses handed to them in past CW threads.
How is quoting primary sources "revisionist history"?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:58 pm to sugar71
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But Lee was a treasonous loser who fought & cost 600,00 men their lives to maintain slavery ,but but he prayed besides a Black man.
So Lee's decision to fight the North cost 600,000 men their lives? I think you're being a bit hyperbolic. Men were going to die whether or not he went with Virginia.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:03 pm to montanagator
Lee was not perfect. But I find it fascinating that so many are willing to trash him when he was merely a product of his time. I think that if you had a time machine and went back to 1860, just before the outbreak of civil war, you would be appalled at how men and women, both North and South, approached the subject of racial equality.
Lincoln would have told you the black race was inferior to the white race, Sherman most definitely would have done so, and Grant most likely would have, too. Sherman was actually still in favor of the institution of slavery until it became U.S. policy not to. So this idea that Lee was any different from most of his contemporaries is asinine to say the least.
I'm not trying to make excuses for the man, but you have to look at the times these men lived in before you pass judgment on them. It's easy to criticize them now, but if we had been born during that time period, we would have been made of the same cloth because we would have been taught from an early age that the idea of white supremacy was okay and that the idea of slavery, depending on where we were from, was also not too shabby.
Lincoln would have told you the black race was inferior to the white race, Sherman most definitely would have done so, and Grant most likely would have, too. Sherman was actually still in favor of the institution of slavery until it became U.S. policy not to. So this idea that Lee was any different from most of his contemporaries is asinine to say the least.
I'm not trying to make excuses for the man, but you have to look at the times these men lived in before you pass judgment on them. It's easy to criticize them now, but if we had been born during that time period, we would have been made of the same cloth because we would have been taught from an early age that the idea of white supremacy was okay and that the idea of slavery, depending on where we were from, was also not too shabby.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:44 pm to RollTide1987
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Lincoln would have told you the black race was inferior to the white race,
I think I have posted -three- times on -this- thread that Lincoln is on the record supporting the vote for black soldiers.
"It is also unsatisfactory to some that the elective franchise is not given to the colored man. I would myself prefer that it were now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers."
4/11/65
LINK
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:47 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Says the guy that gets his historical info from tv and doesn't realize the us never entered into the into the ICC treaty.
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