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re: Myocarditis Was a 'Very, Very Small Price to Pay' for the COVID Vaccine
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:25 pm to Diamondawg
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:25 pm to Diamondawg
quote:
I would vote Roger Klaven. I think crazy4lsu is not too many years out of med school or PA school or whatever
Brah I’m not a frickin mid-level.
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Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:28 pm to crazy4lsu
Naw you're a regular Coquelin
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Damn that’s a crazy good reference.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:30 pm to Jbird
This guy has zero clue, there’s no proof the vaccine stopped anything…in fact, there’s more proof that it increased spread, changed variants, and still killed many with its side effects. There was nothing redeeming about this vaccine. MRNa is a terrible idea for vaccinations..
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:30 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Whoa! Settle down. I at least took up for your youth and didn't think that was you in the video. Didn't mean to crush your ego. Sorry - not really
quote:
I would vote Roger Klaven. I think crazy4lsu is not too many years out of med school or PA school or whatever
Brah I’m not a frickin mid-level.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:31 pm to TigerDoc
quote:.
everyone accuses everyone else of cherrypicking
Not really cherry-picking to say
1) we were told it was a vaccine and if we took it we wouldn’t get sick
2) everyone who took it then everyone got sick
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:33 pm to crazy4lsu
I went to look at mid-10s Arsenal rosters before I made that post. It came down to him and Rosicky
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:36 pm to OccamsStubble
This point is somewhat fair. The messaging sucked. They didn't know if would stop transmission (I think they probably could've known this by time of vaccine release, but didn't) and although they caveated it some with "who knows if/when there will be a dominant variant out there that this doesn't provide sterilizing immunity to...", but that was made way too much fine print. They wanted people to get the vaccine so they hyped the (really great) efficacy against the wild-type virus that they had the genetics for basically immediately. This set expectations way too high and set the stage for the backlash which has gone waaaaay too far.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:40 pm to Jbird
What were the MRNA covid vaccines effective at?
They moved the goalposts, fricking constantly
-At first it prevented infection
----Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it prevented transmission
----Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it prevented serious illness
---Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it prevented hospitalization
----Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it "improves outcomes" <====YOU ARE HERE
They moved the goalposts, fricking constantly
-At first it prevented infection
----Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it prevented transmission
----Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it prevented serious illness
---Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it prevented hospitalization
----Then it didn't and we never said it did
-Then it "improves outcomes" <====YOU ARE HERE
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:45 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
Whether your body saw COVID for the first time with pre-existing immunity or not made a big difference in outcomes.
So I’m sure you have a link comparing unvaccinated people’s myocarditis to vaccinated people’s myocarditis from Covid and not from the vaccine.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:45 pm to Roaad
quote:
What were the MRNA covid vaccines effective at?
Growing revenue.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:49 pm to roadGator
quote:
You can say it’s baloney and the giant clits aren’t related
I mean, there was a relationship between COVID and coagulopathies, and there was a relationship between vaccines and coagulopathies. Possibly, in a vacuum, the risk might have been the same if not for the specific risk factors of venous thromboembolism’s in general. The risk factors for VTE’s are called Virchow’s Triad, and include a state of hypercoagulability, endothelial dysfunction and venous stasis. It seems more likely, in a vacuum, that an illness can provoke bedrest and the higher likelihood of a VTE in the presence of some hypercoagulable state (which may be the result of an inherited thrombophilia, medication or vaccine), and endothelial dysfunction (usually through decreased nitrous oxide production from the endothelium), as the potential for venous stasis is more likely. The likelihood seems to go up significantly in the case of hospitalization, as around one-third of the total cases of VTE are linked to recent hospitalizations.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
The grand old days of the soccer board. It was the best board on this site for a few years there.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 3:54 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
This point is somewhat fair. The messaging sucked. They didn't know if would stop transmission (I think they probably could've known this by time of vaccine release, but didn't) and although they caveated it some with "who knows if/when there will be a dominant variant out there that this doesn't provide sterilizing immunity to...", but that was made way too much fine print. They wanted people to get the vaccine so they hyped the (really great) efficacy against the wild-type virus that they had the genetics for basically immediately. This set expectations way too high and set the stage for the backlash which has gone waaaaay too far.
We’re talking about the health of a quarter billion people. If you don’t know whether or not shots you are mandating have any effect, then SHUT YOUR frickING MOUTH ABOUT IT.
But they didn’t, they lied about it.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 4:00 pm to OccamsStubble
And now they’re lying about lying about it.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 4:04 pm to the808bass
Oh yeah dude, we talked about the lies we would use as we went to some try-hard ethnic restaurant while desperately trying to fit into the West.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 4:05 pm to OccamsStubble
How would our resident ‘muh degree is in cellular immunology’ have handled it? Let’s see that degree in action.
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 8/28/25 at 4:06 pm to the808bass
Sure. LINK There's some more in the context of MIS-C.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 4:09 pm to TigerDoc
In skimming your link this caught my attention:
Also in the supplementary data, there are many events that are marked with * cells < than 5 are suppressed. In a study of rare events this could also be impactful.
quote:so I plugged in some of the supplementary data into ChatGPT:
Overall, our main findings were not sensitive to censoring because of death (Table S7, sensitivity analyses 1 through 3), and IRRs for the second dose of vaccination agreed with main results when we removed those who had the outcome after the first dose of any vaccine, but before the second dose (Table S7, sensitivity analysis 5)
quote:
Simple Summary of the Flaws:
They left out heart inflammation cases that happened after the first vaccine shot but before the second. This means they ignored some people who got sick right after vaccination, making vaccines look safer than they might be.
They put everyone who got heart inflammation after catching COVID-19 into one group, even if those people were already vaccinated. This mixes things up and makes COVID infection look riskier compared to vaccines.
They don’t clearly show how many people got heart problems after both vaccination and infection, so we can’t tell what really caused the problem.
Because of these problems, the study’s claim that catching COVID is much more dangerous for the heart than vaccination isn’t totally trustworthy. You should be careful when reading their results.
Also in the supplementary data, there are many events that are marked with * cells < than 5 are suppressed. In a study of rare events this could also be impactful.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 4:10 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
How would our resident ‘muh degree is in cellular immunology’ have handled it? Let’s see that degree in action.
Tell us how your BA in Mass Comm is holding up. Seems your talent is DU cut and paste.
Did you make it through or drop out?
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