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Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:21 pm to VOR
State governments currently have no recourse from federal overreach. Should they?
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:21 pm to VOR
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My point is this. You're trying to remove influence and power from the people.
No just restore part of that was meant for the states back to the states. The House of Representative would still be the ppl's house.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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We need an amendment repealing the 17th amendment, first. Direct election of senators is absolutely gross and has caused much damage. It is so much harder to get much needed cuts passed through congress when senators have government-addicted imbeciles as their constituents. I'm looking at you, Iowa.
You get it.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:22 pm to VOR
quote:You do realize that the federal government was designed originally to give the senate the duty to represent the states, and the house the duty to represent the people, right? The 17th amendment dropped a hot, steamy turd on that setup, and we are seeing the detrimental effects.
My point is this. You're trying to remove influence and power from the people.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The 17th amendment dropped a hot, steamy turd on that setup, and we are seeing the detrimental effects.
How so? Because it's controlled by Democrats?
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:26 pm to VOR
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My point is this. You're trying to remove influence and power from the people.
You mean the power of the majority and ability to rule over the minority.
The 17th amendment is bad because prior to the Direct Election of Senators, Senators were appointed by the legislators of his or her state. Due to being accountable to the government of that state rather than the people of that state, those Senators would rarely, if ever, vote for legislation that ceded power from the states to the federal government, due to the fact that legislatures would recall and replace them. With direct election of senators, they became beholden to "the people", which in reality was lobbyists. It's very expensive to run for a statewide election every 6 years, so Senators have to pander to special interests to fund campaigns, those special interests often are attempting to carve out loopholes in federal law, regulations that punish competitors, or want to give more power to the federal government and weaken states' rights.
Without the 17th, most federal entitlement programs never would have passed the Senate due to their nature of passing on massive costs on to States to pay for (see Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, HUD, SNAP, Section 8, ect).
It essentially makes the senate redundant as another house of reps and eliminates the states legislature's influence and pull in congress. Senators don't answer to their state governments anymore but rather citizens who may be ignorant. The state legislature appointing the senators for their state is supposed to be a staple of a constitutional republic and representing their state's interests.
The 17th was a major landmark victory for progressivism.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:27 pm to VOR
Repeal the 17th Amendment??? Let each state's legislature choose US Senators? HELL NO! Most state legislators are the biggest political hacks possible and owe just about all their political power to lobbyists. MOst are elected by small numbers of voters many of whom do not even know who they are voting for. What a horrible idea, just terrible.
Do we have so little faith in the American people that we do not want them, in 2014, to vote for US Senators?
It seems too many Republican types are trying to manipulate the system to try to get better results for their candidates. I think that is what is behind the voter suppression movement at the state level in so many places.
Do we have so little faith in the American people that we do not want them, in 2014, to vote for US Senators?
It seems too many Republican types are trying to manipulate the system to try to get better results for their candidates. I think that is what is behind the voter suppression movement at the state level in so many places.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You do realize that the federal government was designed originally to give the senate the duty to represent the states, and the house the duty to represent the people, right? The 17th amendment dropped a hot, steamy turd on that setup, and we are seeing the detrimental effects.
Yeah, yeah, I get all that. Be honest. You just want a system that you believe will produce policies more favorable to your point of view. The theoretical niceties are just bullshite rationalization.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:30 pm to VOR
Who doesn't?
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:32 pm to VOR
quote:I want a system that prevents our elected leaders from exploiting the rabid emotions of poor people.
Yeah, yeah, I get all that. Be honest. You just want a system that you believe will produce policies more favorable to your point of view. The theoretical niceties are just bull shite rationalization.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:32 pm to GeorgeWest
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Do we have so little faith in the American people that we do not want them, in 2014, to vote for US Senators?
I have faith in them to run their own lives, but certainly not mine.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:33 pm to Asgard Device
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How so?
Because they are not representing their respective states interests at all but a political party's instead and an ignorant population from big cities. There's a reason why we are not a democracy and democracies always fail. History is littered with failed democracies.
There's a reason why senators serve a whole state and representatives serve a specific area in a state. It's no surprise big gov't types wanted to make the sentate another house of representatives. We should not be voting for senators.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I want a system that prevents our elected leaders from exploiting the rabid emotions of poor people.
Yeah. Those people have demonstrated their lack of ability to think as clearly and objectively as you do.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:38 pm to VOR
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Yeah. Those people have demonstrated their lack of ability to think as clearly and objectively as you do.
Well these people have given us two straight administrations that have absolutely handed the American middle class their arse and are about to do it again with either Jeb or Hilary.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:50 pm to Sentrius
Long but good article on history of how we changed to direct election. 29 states, a big majority, had already modified their Senate elections BEFORE the 17th Amendment. The impetus for change to direct election came from the states. It is what the state leaders wanted. It was part of an attempt to clean up what was the US's most corrupt political institution.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 6/8/14 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:52 pm to VOR
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Yeah, yeah, I get all that. Be honest. You just want a system that you believe will produce policies more favorable to your point of view. The theoretical niceties are just bullshite rationalization.
And lets be even more honest, you are doing the same.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:55 pm to cave canem
State legislators are more prone to corruption and idiocy.
Due to strategic districting and gerrymandering, State legislators are not necessarily a good reflection of a state.
Florida would be an extreme right wing state if it were based on districting alone.
Due to strategic districting and gerrymandering, State legislators are not necessarily a good reflection of a state.
Florida would be an extreme right wing state if it were based on districting alone.
This post was edited on 6/8/14 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 6/8/14 at 10:56 pm to WeeWee
Good grief, you'd be mad at anyone in the position.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 11:10 pm to GeorgeWest
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GeorgeWest
Your article is from a gov't run and sanctioned website run by the very institute at discussion here. It's safe to call that biased.
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