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Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:14 pm to RollTide4547
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You are arguing against removing tarriffs that other countries put on us.
Thats not up to us.
They can hurt their own people if they choose. I prefer competition (Capitalism cornerstone) myself.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And you;ll be poorer, with fewer choices.
Actually, i won't. You see, my potential is much greater than yours. I'm not locked into retirement. I've got quite a few years until then to enjoy American exceptionalism. Something you clearly do not want.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:15 pm to BugAC
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Yet you feel for "poorer countries"?
bullshite.
Their tariffs hurt their own people.
I say let them destroy themselves.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:16 pm to BugAC
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And you;ll be poorer, with fewer choices.
Actually, i won't.
100%. Youre just not knowlegeable enough to know it yet.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Thats not up to us.
It is thought. Trump just put the ball in our court.
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They can hurt their own people if they choose.
By giving their own companies a competitive advantage?
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I prefer competition (Capitalism cornerstone) myself.
I like competition too. We, America, has the advantage to force the world to play on equal court. Didn't Mexico already acquiesce?
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Sure it is. Give them a good dose of their own medicine and they'll come around.
Thats not up to us.
quote:Sounds like you just kept giving the bully your lunch money in school. Me, not so much.
They can hurt their own people if they choose. I prefer competition (Capitalism cornerstone) myself.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Roger getting his daily spanking in economics it appears. A true glutton for punishment. I applaud your dedication though.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:19 pm to Flats
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In other words, a tariff doesn't have to be reciprocal
That’s an ideal world neutral state. If a tariff would create more jobs domestically resulting in additional tax generation it could outweigh the relative increase to prices or in the case of critical infrastructure like medicine or steel be justified as a national defense act.
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Tariffs don't create a positive economic benefit for the country as a whole unless you consider the government collecting more taxes an economic benefit.
Primary job creation has a ripple effect. By replacing welfare takers with tax payers the impact is felt multiple times particularly if the money the worker spends is kept domestically rather than spent globally.
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The US taxpayers that sell the subsidized widget of the group of taxpayers that pay a higher price for the subsidized widget?
Again, it’s more complicated than that. We are the premier economy in the world. I fully acknowledge we pay more domestically as consumers particularly up front, but while that’s a factor it’s not the only factor in the equation.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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100%. Youre just not knowlegeable enough to know it yet.
Ah yes, renaissance man with no expertise in any 1 field outside of being a borderline gypsy vagrant is more knowledgeable than someone with 20 years of experience in a chosen field.
You're so much better than all of us Roger. I hope you tell your grandchildren you voted for the pre-Trump status quo.
Speaking of that, with social security becoming insolvent in less than 10 years unless Trump fixes it, do you tell your granddaughter that you voted to ensure she never receives what she will pay for? Something tells me you wont'
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:20 pm to BugAC
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It is thought. Trump just put the ball in our court.
No, he's just protecting Massive woke corporations.
Thats the real purpose of tariffs.
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By giving their own companies a competitive advantage?
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I like competition to
And penalizing their people in the process. Youre not paying for the tariffs, they are.
Here you are sticking up for non conservative protectionsim pretending to support competition.
This is so rich.
Youre arguing vs ages old Conservative wisdom, in support of traditional Democrat payoffs to unions.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:21 pm to RollTide4547
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Sounds like you just kept giving the bully your lunch money in school.
In this thread we learn that MAGA thinks China is our bully and is better than us.
China's GDP per capita is 5x less than ours, and you think theyre calling the shots..
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:22 pm to Aubie Spr96
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I'd love and American free trade zone for goods and workers from pole to pole.
We did some of that and Mexico and Canada are ******* us by importing Chinese goods, assembling it there or finishing it in their market and selling it to us as their own while then hitting us with tariffs and other exclusions on top of it to protect their markets.
They deserve every bit of what they’re getting right now and more.
We’re the bull, they’re the mosquito feeding on us.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:23 pm to Ten Bears
Why don't you ask this to the Chinese, Canadians and the Mexicans?
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:23 pm to tide06
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We did some of that and China and Canada are ******* us by importing Chinese goods,
Which is what much of the world will do. China is the number one EV seller in the world without selling in the USA
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Losing the argument, so now you want to deflect. Hmm
In this thread we learn that MAGA thinks China is our bully and is better than us
Is china tarriffing our products more than we are tarriffing theirs? If so, they seem to be taking our lunch money...
Wow, is not being about to see the forrest for the trees.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:25 pm to RollTide4547
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Losing the argument, so now you want to deflect. Hmm
China GDP per capita $12,614
US GDP per capita $81,695
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So if the bully in school comes from a poor family (more poor than you), you're fine with him taking your lunch money?
China GDP per capita $12,614
US GDP per capita $81,695
Kinda sounds like the democrats argument that the rich should pay more in taxes. You know, their "fair" share.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:29 pm to RollTide4547
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So if the bully in school comes from a poor family
We're talking economics, Goober. Wealth would be their muscle. They have little.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ufuk Akcigit, Sina T. Ates
I know what the globalists think. This only applies locally and on small time scales.
Globally and on large time scales, the Invisible Hand, as a forcing function, drives an economic system to two outcomes: Monopoly or Nash Equilibrium.
Both result in competition destruction.
Again, try starting an advanced chip fab in the US under the current conditions... You will fail. Even mighty Intel failed.
Why? because we had a global economy that optimized to its natural end: Monopoly in Taiwan and in the Netherlands... and no competition will ever arise without intervention.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 1:32 pm
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