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re: MTG trending with her #NationalDivorce tweet

Posted on 2/21/23 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 3:06 pm to
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If forced back into the workforce

Except this is America. You shouldn't be able to force someone to hire idiots. I usually see this ridiculousness when I hear someone say, "They just need to go get a job!" while forgetting that someone else would have to hire that undesirable "They".
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working jobs in restaurants, filling out construction crews

Those are jobs for average intelligence people at worst.
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For the truly unintelligent they could be paid to work crews cleaning up litter near highways, fixing up section8 areas in the inner cities, helping the elderly, etc.

So, work tax-funded government jobs?
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Anything other than being encouraged to embrace generational dependence on federal handouts and the culture that accompanies it.

That's going to take welfare reform. Whether people are sitting on their asses collecting a gov't check, or out on the side of the road pretending to pick up cigarette butts for a gov't check, doesn't make a meaningful difference to me. Removing the government incentive to have children out of wedlock needs to be at the top of the list.
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Our current labor participation rate is 62%, imagine what we could do from an output standpoint if we got that number back to the upper 80's as far as reducing crime and lowering entitlement spending?

I'm not seeing anything close to "upper 80s" here, here, here, or here. It's all between about 58% in 1955 to about 67% in 2000. 62% would be right at about the median.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 3:35 pm to
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culture wars across thousands of miles and hundreds of millions of people - a recipe for alienation, absence of accountability, ineffective policy and the loss of any meaningful identity.


You know what? I think that's all bullshite. If the federal government got its fiscal shite together, I bet most of those problems would either disappear, or close to.

I'm a firm believer that 99% of our problems stem from:

1. Federal fiscal policy regarding wasteful spending and irresponsible borrowing.

2. Our secondary education system graduating students that can't read or do math - or even know which bathroom to use.

3. A welfare system that encourages single parenthood through essentially cash payments.


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boundaries where the government can more easily reflect an identifiable culture of the population

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but having traveled around quite a bit, I've come to the conclusion the we have a monolithic American culture. African Americans? There's nothing African about them. Just as there's really nothing Irish about Irish Americans, or Italian about Italian Americans. We have a lot more in common than we like to admit.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87342 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:07 pm to
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I'm a firm believer that 99% of our problems stem from:

1. Federal fiscal policy regarding wasteful spending and irresponsible borrowing.

2. Our secondary education system graduating students that can't read or do math - or even know which bathroom to use.

3. A welfare system that encourages single parenthood through essentially cash payment


I just don't understand how you can say these things and not attribute any of it to culture war battles or the enormous size of our country.

The reasons we can't control these things:

A) The large, bureaucratic nature of federal government where they're largely disconnected and unaccountable from the population that funds it. Even if we wanted to curtail responsible borrowing/spending, our country is too large and divided to get on the same page and demand it.

B) Growing ideological war on notions of personal responsibility, bathroom confusion, promoting single parenthood, etc. All those things are at the center of the culture wars.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:28 pm to
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I just don't understand how you can say these things and not attribute any of it to culture war battles or the enormous size of our country.

For one, we've tackled the budget before, and not all that long ago in terms of population and partisanship. I believe we can get there, and more next time. I'm afraid it may take some sort of crisis, though.

I also think the education system could be coming around as I've heard more talk of holding students back more. That's key. Passing failing kids on doesn't just mean they may end up illiterate, but it also reinforces the notion that achievement can be gained by doing nothing. The trans-gender shite in schools? That's all just hype. If the adults would just ignore these stupid teenagers, they would drop the bullshite. But I wonder what the real numbers are for school aged kids having gender issues. I'm betting it's exaggerated. I don't always bury my head in the sand, but sometimes with kids you just have to ignore shite.

Welfare is a serious trick. Part of the problem lies with SNAP, and it's inclusion in the Farm Bill. Both sides get that SNAP pork. But frick giving people money for food, just give them the food. Rice, flour, shortening, greens... And what is this hiding behind a debit card bullshite? No, everyone in line should know who's on the dole. Incentives to get off of gov't subsidies should be coming from different angles, including public shame. We've developed public shame over thousands of years of social evolution for a reason, a non-violent means to keep people in line.
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The reasons we can't control these things:

Meh.

We can, it's just a matter of what will compel us to. It'll probably be a crisis. We seem sort of crisis-management oriented. I just hope not too many people will have to die.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:35 pm to
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If the adults would just ignore these stupid teenagers, they would drop the bullshite.


You boomers tried this already. It didn’t work. Now here we are.

Your posts reek of a man totally out of touch.
Posted by Wardniner01
Member since Dec 2020
2537 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:35 pm to
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So, work tax-funded government jobs?


Keyword WORK. do something productive towards society or sit on their arse playing video games, while government funded, eating government funded food (ebt
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:48 pm to
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You boomers tried this already. It didn’t work. Now here we are.

Yeah, I think that says more than you intended it to.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:53 pm to
No it doesn’t. You just want to deflect blame. Let’s just ignore it and hope it goes away should be chiseled onto every boomer headstone.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:57 pm to
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No it doesn’t.

Yeah, kinda...
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My parents tried to raise me right. It didn't work. Now here I am.

Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:59 pm to
More stupid, nonsensical deflection. You boomers did such a good job, half the country wants to leave
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 5:07 pm to
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You boomers did such a good job, half the country wants to leave

Not me, I'm doing great.

Good luck with your future, though.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 5:08 pm to
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Good luck with your future, though


The future is now, old man.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6793 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:01 pm to
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Secession would need a group with political and institutional power. National divorce enthusiasts, unlike Confederates, have neither.

The left controls the levers of our economic system, federal law enforcement, the justice system, the media, and academia, and is in progress of attaining control over the military.


Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
11201 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:45 pm to
After snooping around the comments in her tweet. The Blue state people:

-appear scared and try to come off as arrogant
-don't want any state to leave because they fear for "others"
-think the Red states are too dumb to make it work
-think that money is the answer and the Red states will have none.
-don't have a clue where the majority of natural resources, oil refineries/ chem plants, agriculture is located
-how food and energy are produced
-don't give a frick about and left leaning people who might get trapped in red states

It really is comical how Blue state people will shite all over Red state people, but don't want them to go.
Posted by IkeandTina
Member since Nov 2019
407 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:02 pm to
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There are going to be alot of conservatives there then. And that would defeat the whole purpose of your proposition. You’re so worried about welfare recipients in New Orleans, for example, but say nothing about Denham Springs. I'm not surprised you are making this a race thing. You really think white people on welfare vote Republican? fricking dumbass.


Wow. You are an idiot if you don’t think these poor southerners don’t vote Republican and don’t hypocritically holler about my foodstamps! Look at southern states that are republican. Look at their median income. Common sense would tell you that poor, welfare dependent white folks do sometimes vote Republican.

There is help out there for illiterate adults.
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