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re: MSM says holtz was terrible to call biden a fake catholic. but isn't he technically right?
Posted on 8/27/20 at 7:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 8/27/20 at 7:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
lots of cafeteria Catholics out there
Why bother? should just be Presbyterians who have no discernible beliefs that they actually follow
I like real Catholics, solid folks
Why bother? should just be Presbyterians who have no discernible beliefs that they actually follow
I like real Catholics, solid folks
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:00 pm to The Maj
im not 100% sure on how the discipline would be handled I do know he would have to sincerely go to confess and repent over it before being in good grace.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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MSM says
I see the problem
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:03 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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I'm not here to debate what is deemed a human life or not, or whether abortion is able to be interpreted from scripture.
So do you have any principles or thoughts of your own or do you run from every conversation you start?
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there literally are Christian denominations where abortion rights are supported
There are literally not. They may call themselves Christians but they are fundamentally opposed to the core values of Christianity.
You can call yourself whatever you want. Whether or not your are actually that thing is not decided but what you call yourself.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The catechism is clear on the abortion issue, and bidens's beliefs directly contradict it.
Its just right. Not "technically"...just right.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:07 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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It's a ridiculous path to go down. I figured we'd all agree on that.
If he did not place it Front and Center as part of his qualifications of morals I could probably agree. But when the Candidate lies about any aspect of his qualifications, and this candidate has a long history of exaggerating and outright lying about his qualifications and beliefs.
So No we don't agree
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:07 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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First of all, you're an alter.
I'll be back to destroy your brain. Too busy loving America right now.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:09 pm to gthog61
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should just be Presbyterians who have no discernible beliefs that they actually follow
I made this exact point today, except please don't confuse fake PCUSA Presbyterians with real ones.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:09 pm to gthog61
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lots of cafeteria Catholics out there
Why bother? should just be Presbyterians who have no discernible beliefs that they actually follow
I like real Catholics, solid folks
They should become Episcopalian. They are mostly non believers
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:12 pm to Nguyener
I've engaged in these conversations before, they don't go anywhere.
And seriously, explain the Episcopal Church and other denominations. This isn't some fringe belief by some of their members, it's literally the official position of the church. Or are we going to end up in a conversation about which denomination is "right" or "wrong?" Because if that's the path we're going down, then what's the point lol
And seriously, explain the Episcopal Church and other denominations. This isn't some fringe belief by some of their members, it's literally the official position of the church. Or are we going to end up in a conversation about which denomination is "right" or "wrong?" Because if that's the path we're going down, then what's the point lol
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:23 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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I've engaged in these conversations before, they don't go anywhere.
Convenient excuse to not discuss anything while claiming victory. Why make a statement and then say “I won’t discuss this. It goes no where.” If that is your stance then why state your views at all?
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explain the Episcopal Church and other denominations.
There is absolutely no way to reconcile the murder of innocent children with the teachings of Christianity. Anyone who supports abortion is by definition not Christian regardless of what they call themselves.
If I found the “Religion of Pacifism” and state emphatically that I believe in war, violence, and the use of force and welcome anyone else who supports war and force. Would you consider me pacifist?
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are we going to end up in a conversation about which denomination is "right" or "wrong?"
Moral relativism vs absolute universal truth has always been a battle. True Christians who follow the teachings of Christ know god as the absolute truth. Moral Relativism is not possible or reconcilable with an earnest faith in God.
There are some nuanced discussions where denominations can reasonably differ without opposing the core principles of the Christian faith. For example, the order of mass, the distribution of the sacraments, the way their priesthood is ordered, etc... Abortion is not one of those. Abortion is fundamentally evil. And you cannot support evil and call yourself a Christian at the same time and they both be true. God is the universal truth. Any belief otherwise is not Christian.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:26 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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This would imply that nearly half of all American Catholics are "fake Catholics."
I would say it's far more than half. I am by no means perfect but I try to follow what my faith preaches, even though I mess up more often than not. I hope by the grace of God I will be in Paradise one day (atheists please stay away). But if you believe the visions of Our Lady of Fatima, there are a lot of people who aren't going to make it. Catholics will be some of the worst offenders. And this comes from someone who is a hard core Catholic.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:33 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
You are right about so called Catholics who support abortion being fake. But not the rest. He wears his Catholic “faith” like a mask, publicly supporting mortal sin. Shame on him.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:52 pm to RollTide1987
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if you believe the visions of Our Lady of Fatima
It’s fascinating for sure.
The third secret, the secular destruction of Christianity and violent execution of the clergy is a terrifying thought.
Most people view hell as some sort of punishment or torture inflicted on people by God. It is not. Hell is a choice you make yourself to live in the absence of God.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 8:52 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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Abortion isn't mentioned in the bible, and we're only talking about the Catholic church here, not Christianity as a whole.
What part of “Thou shalt not kill” did you miss?
Posted on 8/27/20 at 9:03 pm to Nguyener
I didn't state my stance; I stated a fact that abortion is not explicitly mentioned in the bible. Can it be inferred? For a lot of people, yes it can. I assume you believe that it is a grave sin, and that you can point to a variety of passages of scripture (and other factors, such as historical practice) that supports your view. Most Christians share that view too, and have throughout history. I'm not here to change your mind on that. I was merely telling you that there are multiple Christian denominations that support the right to abortion (not merely the believers, but literally the official position of those denominations).
I know devout Christians of a variety of denominations, including people in the Episcopal Church that oppose abortion. Do you believe that they think their Church is not Christian? I mean, if they did, don't you think they'd join a different church? Maybe they're confused? Who knows.
And your pacifist example is a false equivalence. Based on what you said, you're talking about starting a religion that is literally only pacifist in name. What would your source of authority be in your situation? Churches such as the Episcopal Church and Presbyterian Church have been around for over 200 years and have over a million members.
I know devout Christians of a variety of denominations, including people in the Episcopal Church that oppose abortion. Do you believe that they think their Church is not Christian? I mean, if they did, don't you think they'd join a different church? Maybe they're confused? Who knows.
And your pacifist example is a false equivalence. Based on what you said, you're talking about starting a religion that is literally only pacifist in name. What would your source of authority be in your situation? Churches such as the Episcopal Church and Presbyterian Church have been around for over 200 years and have over a million members.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 9:10 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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stated a fact that abortion is not explicitly mentioned in the bible.
True. The word abortion isn’t in the Bible. Thou shall not kill is.
You expected every single definition of murder to be necessary to be listed or it’s up for debate?
Gun violence isn’t mentioned in the Bible.
Are you under the impression that I can start a sect of Christianity that believes shooting people for any reason is ok because Jesus didn’t mention guns and we’d still be Christian?
Abortion is murder. And murder is fundamentally evil. And you cannot be Christian and in support of evil, it does not matter what you call yourself. Any sect of Christianity that professes a support for abortion is Christian in name only.
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Based on what you said, you're talking about starting a religion that is literally only pacifist in name.
Correct. Just like founding a religion that is only Christian in name but not in practice. You called it a false equivalence and then recognized and proved my point using the example l gave. Thank you.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 9:17 pm to Nguyener
Lol it's still a false equivalence because it isn't proven that those denominations are "Christian in name only." Your basis for thinking that is because those denominations support the right to abortion, which once again, is the belief of you and your denomination, not all of them. You have no superior authority in deciding that the support of abortion equates to a fake Christian. Take it up with the Episcopal Church.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 9:24 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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You have no superior authority in deciding that the support of abortion equates to a fake Christian
I absolutely agree with you. It’s not my authority. It is God’s authority. God is the universal truth.
God most certainly does not support the killing of innocent children. And anyone who does support that factually cannot also be followers of God by definition.
Are you under the belief that abortion is not the killing of life?
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 9:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Believing the government should not have control over certain aspects of people’s lives doesn’t mean they support that behavior.
It’s not a sin to be be pro choice. It’s a sin to have an abortion.
It’s not a sin to be be pro choice. It’s a sin to have an abortion.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 9:32 pm
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