re: MSM finally asking El-Sayed about ties to Muslim Brotherhood 2 weeks before the election

Taqiyya: What Islam’s Doctrines of Deception Actually Permit - Middle East Forum LINK

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Is not a call to kill people. It's a call to have self-determination from the river to the sea.

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Ok bud.

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So, you think Sayed having direct blood ties to the MB is the same as the president engaging in foreign relations?

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No. Both are sloppy attacks that need some actual proof.

So, in terms of slimy politics, I think they are equally effective.

I think the Republicans made a mistake focusing too much on the "scary Muzzie" aspect when people are angry about the economy and likely to take it out on the party in power.

"You think gas prices are high now? Imagine the costs if the loony Democrats get in power again...." would have been a better focus politically. We will see.

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Hmmmm...why exclude the 1933-1945???

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Because Israel was founded in 1948. But please, by all means, comparatively tally interIslamic deaths back to 1933.

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Believe me when I say this that if Abdul gets elected and him with Mamdani will cause the next holocaust. They will enact policies for kill Jews.

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No. They might want to, but they will not.

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OK, let's look post 1947 in the area that was the British Palestinian Mandate

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So we've devolved from a ridiculous (albeit "not debatable") claim involving worldwide numbers over the last century, to post 1947 in the area that was the British Palestinian Mandate.

Wars over that territory (the British Palestinian Mandate) pitted ~150 million Muslims in the Israeli surrounds vs ~7million Jewish Israelis. Had Israelis not killed substantially more Muslims in the various violent interfaces you're referencing, Israel would not exist.

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mean since we're doing absurd date/time/location specifics because we know our original premise is total bullshite.

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The issue is: are Muslims inherently evil and intent on killing non-believers because they are not Muslim...are they compatible with American society.

I don't know what happened and why it happened on 9/11. Taking the government's story at face value, Bin Laden was angry about Israeli treatment of Palestinians AND American troops being in Saudi Arabia. It was NOT a religious attack.

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Any other stupid fricking questions you'd like to ask?

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People here justify the extermination of Palestinians in Gaza because they are all responsible for what Hamas did on October 7. "If they opposed Hamas, they shouldn't have elected them. They should have overthrown Hamas."

By that theory, the German Christians condoned the Holocaust. Do you agree? Is it still OK for the Israelis to have killed over 70,000 people in Gaza including 20,000 children in the last three years?

I have gone through this before, particularly with the Lancet report and the report from Israel that an official had accepted the 70,000 figure. I'm not going to waste time doing that again.

If you have anything to dispute the 70,000 figure, I would appreciate seeing it.

To save time, here was my prompt:



Here was ChatGPT's response:

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As of October 19, 2026, the reported Palestinian death toll in Gaza since the war began on October 7, 2023, is approximately 74,000 people, including at least 21,000 children. The Israeli military's own reported estimates of how many Palestinians it has killed are more complicated: Israel has previously claimed that approximately 20,000 of the dead were Hamas and other militants, but its military has not published an updated combatant-death estimate that I could verify. ?
OCHA Palestine +2

Here is the breakdown.

1. How many Palestinians have been killed?
According to Gaza's Ministry of Health, as reported by Palestinian news agency WAFA on October 9, 2026:
Category
Reported deaths
Total Palestinians killed
74,254
Children
21,976
Women
11,301
Elderly people
5,405
Men
35,555

These figures cover the period from October 7, 2023, through the report's publication. The categories add up to the reported total. ?
WAFA Agency

The figures are reported by Gaza's health authorities, not independently verified in their entirety by the United Nations. The UN nevertheless uses the ministry's figures as its principal source for reported deaths, while distinguishing them from deaths it has independently verified. ?
OCHA Palestine +1

What about children?
The reported total is approximately 22,000 children killed.
That is close to 30% of all reported deaths. The UN reported in October 2026 that more than 20,000 children had been killed since October 2023. ?
The United Nations in Palestine +1

These are reported deaths, not a final count. Some people remain missing beneath destroyed buildings, and the full number of deaths may be higher.

2. How many does Israel say it has killed?
There is an important distinction between Israel's estimate of total Palestinian deaths and its estimate of militants killed.

Israel's estimate of total deaths
On January 30, 2026, Reuters reported that Israeli military officials had accepted an estimate of approximately 70,000 Palestinian deaths in Gaza.
However, the Israeli military said that the figures cited in media reports did not constitute official IDF data and that definitive information would be released through formal channels. ?
Reuters

Thus, the figure of 70,000 was reported as an assessment accepted by Israeli military officials, not as a formally published, definitive Israeli death toll.

Israel's estimate of militants killed
The Israeli military previously claimed that it had killed approximately 20,000 Hamas and other militant fighters.
Reuters reported in October 2025 that Israel had not updated this estimate since January 2025. ?
Investing.com

The distinction matters because Gaza's Ministry of Health does not separate civilian deaths from combatant deaths.

If the reported total is approximately 74,000 and Israel's earlier estimate of 20,000 militants killed is used, the arithmetic would suggest approximately 54,000 other deaths. That is only a calculation based on two figures from different reporting periods, not a verified count of civilian deaths. The figures do not establish that every person outside the estimated militant total was a civilian.

3. How reliable are the Palestinian figures?

Several points are relevant.
The UN uses the Gaza Health Ministry's figures. These are the principal available figures for reported Palestinian deaths. ?
Investing.com

The figures may undercount the true toll. Thousands of people may remain beneath rubble, and a peer-reviewed study published in The Lancet estimated that direct deaths were undercounted by approximately 40% during the war's first nine months. That estimate should not simply be applied as a blanket multiplier to the current death toll. ?
Reuters

Israel has disputed the figures. Israeli officials have questioned their reliability because Gaza's health authorities operate under Hamas-run government institutions. Israel has also published its own estimates of militants killed. ?
Investing.com

The figures do not tell us how each person died. The reported total includes deaths attributed to Israeli military operations, but determining individual responsibility and distinguishing civilians from combatants requires additional evidence.

Bottom line

As of October 2026, the figures I could verify are:
Total Palestinians reported killed: approximately 74,000.

Children reported killed: approximately 22,000.
Israeli military estimate of total deaths: approximately 70,000, reported in January 2026 as an assessment accepted by military officials, rather than a definitive official count.
Israeli estimate of militants killed: approximately 20,000, a figure last reported in January 2025.

The most important qualification is that the approximately 20,000 figure is Israel's estimate of militants killed, not its estimate of all Palestinians killed. These are different measures, and they should not be conflated.