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re: More detail on the Mississippi Education Rising - black students in MS= 3rd in nation

Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:17 pm to
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I too wonder what the exact methodology is.



Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
20618 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:43 pm to
My wife is a teacher, here's a primer at how the merit based teacher pay works.

1. There is a state scale for teacher pay, based on years of experience and highest degree level achieved. This is for everyone. Mississippi has raised the minimum pay from $34,000 to $45,000 in the past five years.

2. There is a local supplement for teachers, which ranges from $0 in poor rural districts to thousands in rich districts like Madison, Oxford, Ocean Springs.

2b. In areas where there is an extreme shortage, the state provides an additional supplement.

3. The merit pay system works like this. If a school district is rated as an A, the district receives $80* per student additionally that is divided amongst instructional staff (no admins) only.

Ocean Springs has 423 teachers and 5,861 students. The district receives an additional $469,000 for teacher pay, which is paid as a ~$1100 bonus every December.

According to the Open Books app, there are many 10-year+ teachers in wealthier, A-rated school districts clearing $75k+ in a state where the average household income is under $43,000.

The biggest lie the Democrats ever told was that teachers get paid peanuts. You can do fairly well. But that lie has kept many good people from going into education, so they get a lot of trash in education.


* - I believe its in the $80 range.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 12:47 pm
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55454 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:01 pm to
Oh, you can laugh all you want.

I'm not the one bleeding all over the thread insisting that a certain group stayed stupid and won't change.

Don't worry though, your diehard blue states are still graduating hundreds of thousands of mindless drones that can't read and write past a fourth grade level. They will be voting right with you for years to come!

Posted by BhamTigah
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Member since Jan 2007
17618 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:02 pm to
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The students aren’t just passed to get them out of a grade.


They are in Georgia. I do a lot of work with a Christian children's home here. The kids are often passed just because the teachers don't want them back in their classes.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139050 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:33 pm to
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How are they pulling that feat off?

Easily.

It's a national test, administered to nationally selected samples, then scored via national review. Are you saying that statewide cheating is occuring at the Mississippi testing centers?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139050 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:44 pm to
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The entire world has education wrong.
I don't get the nidus of your sarcasm. You sound put off by the state of Mississippi, where you live, apparently getting something right.

You've issued a rather malignant accusation that the results indicate "cheating." When asked to delineate HOW such cheating would be conducted, you duck and dodge. My gestalt is you're talking out of your arse, but as you claim to be in Hattiesburg, I supposed you might have inside information. Do you?
Posted by msu202020
Member since Feb 2011
4331 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:03 pm to
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Ocean Springs.


OS isn't even the rich district on the Coast. That title belongs to Biloxi and Pascagoula/Gautier
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:11 pm to
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You sound put off by the state of Mississippi, where you live, apparently getting something right.


I think your reading comprehension may need some work. Maybe those 4th graders here can help you out? Come find out.

I would love if the people of Mississippi would take education seriously. That would be cause for celebration. That's not what is happening.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139050 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:29 pm to
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I think your reading comprehension may need some work.
You'd be painfully mistaken in that "thought."

You claim the MS educational performance numbers don't reflect reality. I've asked you several times now to specifically delineate how MS is gaming the system to generate those supposedly false numbers. Your responses are sophomoric evasions.

It is not even evident, aside from the LBPA, that you have the foggiest clue as to the efforts MS has in place.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:03 pm to
Is this legit? I have a hard time believing Mississippi was truly able to make these improvements.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:04 pm to
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If the state elimination of
Income tax stays intact, I see certain areas of Ms exploding.


Mississippi Gulf Coast finna' eat.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:06 pm to
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Damn you took the truth pretty personal here.


Nah. Just responding to stupid as stupid should be responded to.

Good morning.


Dude. Lived in Mississippi a long time, still have friends there with kids who have had to go to public school and the stories I have heard are incredible. I'm skeptical of these improvements, to say the least.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:07 pm to
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There are too many stories of teachers and districts cheating test scores.


This.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:11 pm to
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They started faking test results.
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LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Do tell.
How are they pulling that feat off?


You aren't aware that cheating on test results in school districts all over the country has been exposed many times in recent years. The No Child Left Behind initiative saw a shite ton of shenanigans and inflated scores etc.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:12 pm to
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All kidding aside, you guys do realize this is leapfrogging many states on an increasing scale.

That is statistically VERY rare to take such a leap in a few years.



In... MISSISSIPPI of all places.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:13 pm to
What is in fact an impressive achievement by Mississippi that should be lauded for its results and apparent innovation is sadly but not unexpectedly met with skepticism instead of it simply being taken at face value that the test results are in fact legit.

Mississippi and to only a very tiny lesser degree Alabama have the double whammy of being relatively poor (by U.S. standards) and are both governed by Republican super majorities so are natural whipping boys nationally among both the elite crowd as well as regular everyday Americans that like to look down their noses at both states.

Mississippi in particular isn't going to get the credit for this it richly deserves because the liberal media and liberal federal government establishment would have to admit that either Mississippi is fudging the numbers or Mississippi's Republican led education policies are producing impressive results. Can't have that so it will either be ignored or attributed to some made up Biden policy while liberals and the liberal media try to gaslight the public with strawmen arguments about Jackson's recent water/sewer crisis happening in a "red state"

Louisiana might get a small shout out for it's test scores due to having a Democrat governor though
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 4:16 pm
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:14 pm to
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They are in Georgia. I do a lot of work with a Christian children's home here. The kids are often passed just because the teachers don't want them back in their classes.


Plus, not passing many of them would be "racist."
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:16 pm to
Curriculum matters.

One of the largest drivers of test scores, both positively and negatively is simply literacy.

Teach kids to read and kids perform better on tests.. It is the simplest fix to our education system.

Literacy is equity. Not pictures of Black people in books or teaching about systemic oppression.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:19 pm to
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Damn you took the truth pretty personal here.


In this thread, progressive LSUconvert implicitly asserts you can’t teach Black people how to read.

Embarrassing.
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