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re: More Democrats than Republicans think Ukraine is winning Russia war: poll

Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:54 pm to
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:54 pm to
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Democrats still firmly believe that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election and Hunter’s laptop is Russian disinformation.


This is exactly why they are backing and defending Ukraine.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:54 pm to
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That's the whole point of joining the EU and getting into the European market to develop a more advanced economy which will raise their standard of living. Living in Russian subjugation is why their economy is so shitty right now




Posted by BigWillieStyle18
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:57 pm to
"You didn't ask me but I would have to believe our military, as well as NATO, is reevaluating their assessments of Russian military battlefield capability.

Russia has demonstrated a clusterfrick of battlefield ability in spite of having air superiority in the entire theater."


They are doing the same thing we do when fighting an inferior opponent. Use up the old stuff, and not reveal and use the new shiny shite. By your assessment Russia should be able to beat our arse based on our performance against 3rd world countries in the past few decades, with air superiority in all of those theaters.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476775 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:00 pm to
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Russia should be able to beat our arse based on our performance against 3rd world countries in the past few decades, with air superiority in all of those theaters.


Russia isn't occupying Ukraine yet or dealing with a domestic insurgency, broseph.

We can win wars easily. We cannot occupy foreign nations and nation build. Russia isn't nation building. They're trying to win, first.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15712 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:02 pm to
SlowFag will completely ignore what Nuland said and claim “it’s irrelevant” or should be “discussed in another thread”. He never addresses anything that conflicts with his left-wing worldview.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:11 pm to
So joining the EU will automatically make Ukraine a powerhouse in Europe? Have you heard of Greece? One of the largest shipping industries in the world. Joined the EU and its economy hasn’t boomed since.

Succinctly explain, How Ukraine is going to somehow surpass all the current EU countries that all rely on Germany and France banks for subsidiaries. Again SFP demonstrating his incorrigible ignorance. How’s the buyers market bud?
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:30 pm to
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Ukraine isn't winning shite.

The Ukrainian people and soldiers may be losers but the Ukrainian political class seem to be doing quite well, thank you very much!









Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:44 pm to
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Nuland


Victoria Nuland is the personification of a cold blooded swamp critter: a largely anonymous, unelected and unaccountable Deep State apparatchik who welds enormous power in determining the Foreign Policy Agenda of the United States.

Indeed, no informed discussion of this war in the hinterlands of Eastern Europe is possible without discussing the largely anonymous Deep State players who have shaped the West’s relationship with other nations in Eastern Europe over the past few decades.

The article linked below is from March 2015 and was written in the aftermath of the CIA sponsored Euromaidan Uprising.

It discuses the war profiteers behind the putsch.

Whatever your opinion of Russia or Putin, anyone who denies the outsized influence of the Kagan-Nuland clan in determining the foreign policy agenda of the United States in the region is 1.) either ignorant, 2.) a Deep State propagandist or 3.) SFP.



A Family Business of Perpetual War: Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan have a great mom-and-pop business going. From the State Department, she generates wars and from op-ed pages he demands Congress buy more weapons. There’s a pay-off, too, as grateful military contractors kick in money to think tanks where other Kagans work…

Neoconservative pundit Robert Kagan and his wife, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, run a remarkable family business: she has sparked a hot war in Ukraine and helped launch Cold War II with Russia and he steps in to demand that Congress jack up military spending so America can meet these new security threats.

This extraordinary husband-and-wife duo makes quite a one-two punch for the Military-Industrial Complex, an inside-outside team that creates the need for more military spending, applies political pressure to ensure higher appropriations, and watches as thankful weapons manufacturers lavish grants on like-minded hawkish Washington think tanks….

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 9:02 pm to
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So joining the EU will automatically make Ukraine a powerhouse in Europe? Have you heard of Greece? One of the largest shipping industries in the world. Joined the EU and its economy hasn’t boomed since.

Succinctly explain, How Ukraine is going to somehow surpass all the current EU countries that all rely on Germany and France banks for subsidiaries. Again SFP demonstrating his incorrigible ignorance. How’s the buyers market bud?



I’m sure you know this but you are wasting your time attempting to have any type of meaningful dialogue with that disingenuous sack-of-excrement.

Yet at this late stage and the repeated revelations that the cash being infused into the Ukraine is little more than a massive boondoggle for the most corrupted elements in our nation’s national security apparatus, isn’t it glorious to behold SFP’s monstrous ego continue to defend this sh*+ show as some type of glorious moral crusade to uplift the Ukrainian people?

And this tool has the temerity to call Trump’s supporters brainwashed cultists?

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