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re: More ACA cost problems
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:49 am to FalseProphet
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:49 am to FalseProphet
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I love it when you post opinion pieces as news articles. Hell, your link couldn't write its own news, it had to source someone else's.
1. When did I say it was not an opinion piece?
2. When did I say it was a news article?
3. Are political columns not allowed on this board?
4. Aren't you feeling just a little bit stupid?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:50 am to I B Freeman
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Rex how about giving me an example of a single payer system you like.
The UK's, France's, Australia's, Canada's... I prefer all those systems to the monstrosity we have here.
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Also--what was wrong in your opinion with Ryan's proposal to use vouchers instead of direct government purchase of health are services?
I don't know enough about Ryan's proposal to comment on it. Maybe I did at one time, but it's largely forgotten... just as HE should be.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:53 am to Rex
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Maybe I did at one time, but it's largely forgotten
Surging ahead of Spidey well done.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:53 am to Zach
Not at all. Your topic is "More ACA cost problems." Other than a brief quote from a Hawaii article, your article is nothing but opinion.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:56 am to FalseProphet
My main concern is when the single payer system fails, then what? That's a huge risk if you ask me. You can't have a single system for a country of 350 million inhabitants, it's not that simple.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:56 am to FalseProphet
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I don't religiously follow Rex's post history.
You are missing out. Some of us have subscribed to the 'Rex Plan' on TD and for only $4 / month we get email alerts when he makes a post.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:57 am to FalseProphet
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Not at all. Your topic is "More ACA cost problems." Other than a brief quote from a Hawaii article, your article is nothing but opinion.
Uh, the opinions are based on the statistics quoted in the article. This is extremely common in political columns. Where are the statistics wrong? Where are the conclusions based on the statistics wrong?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:57 am to FalseProphet
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your article is nothing but opinion.
if it bans forwarding articles and opinion pieces,
there won't be much left of the poliboard.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:59 am to FalseProphet
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When did he say he wanted the government to run our healthcare in this thread?
OK, I get it now. You can't read. Have a nice day.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:03 am to tankyank13
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My main concern is when the single payer system fails, then what?
Where has it failed? Name a major party candidate in UK, France, Australia, Canada, and the like who ran on a repeal platform. If one has existed I'm unaware of it... because it sure doesn't happen very much.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:05 am to Rex
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the monstrosity we have here
are you referring to the 2700 page ACA legislation?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:05 am to Rex
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I don't know enough about Ryan's proposal to comment on it. Maybe I did at one time, but it's largely forgotten... just as HE should be.
How can you say that without knowing his proposal?? Are you just against proposals because republicans propose them?
So if we had Canada's system what would you say if a political party decided not to let the government pay for things dear to you--say sex change surgery?
(BTW private insurance still exists in Canada.)
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:05 am to Zach
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Where are the statistics wrong? Where are the conclusions based on the statistics wrong?
The cost of the marketplace interface has very little to do with the long term costs and benefits of the ACA... and are easily fixable, anyway.
Healthcare.gov happens to be working quite well at the moment.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:07 am to TrueTiger
Since Rex is so enamored with the single payer systems of other countries, perhaps he should move there and let us all know what a perfect place he is living in. Cuba and its enlightened society comes to mind.
It is too late Rex. Your heroes tried, but they did not succeed in turning us into some kind of PC Paradise. People that think like you do are pretty much running things right now,and they are running them into the ground. No matter what pablum you and they are selling, we ain't buying it.
Doubt me? The end starts this fall when we vote the gavel out of that idiot Harry Reid's hands. I hope his new office is in a well used dumpster. When he coughs up the gavel that is the end of Obama. And Cankles Clinton is going down too. The American People are waking up fast.
It is too late Rex. Your heroes tried, but they did not succeed in turning us into some kind of PC Paradise. People that think like you do are pretty much running things right now,and they are running them into the ground. No matter what pablum you and they are selling, we ain't buying it.
Doubt me? The end starts this fall when we vote the gavel out of that idiot Harry Reid's hands. I hope his new office is in a well used dumpster. When he coughs up the gavel that is the end of Obama. And Cankles Clinton is going down too. The American People are waking up fast.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:08 am to Rex
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UK, France, Australia, Canada,
The cultures in those countries are identical to the culture in the United States.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:08 am to Rex
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Where has it failed? Name a major party candidate in UK, France, Australia, Canada, and the like who ran on a repeal platform. If one has existed I'm unaware of it... because it sure doesn't happen very much.
those countries combined don't equal the population of the US along with an open southern border. It would fail and the care we receive would decline as well.
What does govt run that doesn't fail, especially of this magnitude?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:09 am to I B Freeman
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How can you say that without knowing his proposal??
How can I say I don't know enough about Ryan's proposal to comment on it without knowing his proposal???? Say what? Think about it for a second.
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So if we had Canada's system what would you say if a political party decided not to let the government pay for things dear to you--say sex change surgery?
I say such things can be debated and decided democratically.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:09 am to Zach
Nearly half a billion dollars in federal money has been spent developing four state Obamacare exchanges that are now in shambles — and the final price tag for salvaging them may go sharply higher.
Each of the states — Massachusetts, Oregon, Nevada and Maryland — embraced Obamacare, and each underperformed. All have come under scathing criticism and now face months of uncertainty as they rush to rebuild their systems or transition to the federal exchange.
The federal government is caught between writing still more exorbitant checks to give them a second chance at creating viable exchanges of their own or, for a lesser although not inexpensive sum, adding still more states to HealthCare.gov. The federal system is already serving 36 states, far more than originally anticipated
The $474 million spent by these four states includes the cost that officials have publicly detailed to date. It climbs further if states like Minnesota and Hawaii, which have suffered similarly dysfunctional exchanges, are added.
Their totals are just a fraction of the $4.698 billion that the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation calculates the federal government has approved for states since 2011 to help them determine whether to create their own exchanges and to assist in doing so. Still, the amount of money that now appears wasted is prompting calls for far greater accountability
LINK
Each of the states — Massachusetts, Oregon, Nevada and Maryland — embraced Obamacare, and each underperformed. All have come under scathing criticism and now face months of uncertainty as they rush to rebuild their systems or transition to the federal exchange.
The federal government is caught between writing still more exorbitant checks to give them a second chance at creating viable exchanges of their own or, for a lesser although not inexpensive sum, adding still more states to HealthCare.gov. The federal system is already serving 36 states, far more than originally anticipated
The $474 million spent by these four states includes the cost that officials have publicly detailed to date. It climbs further if states like Minnesota and Hawaii, which have suffered similarly dysfunctional exchanges, are added.
Their totals are just a fraction of the $4.698 billion that the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation calculates the federal government has approved for states since 2011 to help them determine whether to create their own exchanges and to assist in doing so. Still, the amount of money that now appears wasted is prompting calls for far greater accountability
LINK
Posted on 5/11/14 at 11:10 am to Rex
We can't afford single payer. What people don't understand is not only will the tax burden be too much in our declining work force, but when Healthcare is free, people use it...That last part sounds great, except costs will explode without something to curtail it, like surgical and medical restrictions, excessive wait time(like VA, now)...Could we do this, yes, but Americans won't like it at all...I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and work with Canadian Dr's that left there...Believe me, we don't want any part of that. The VA here is much,much better...
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