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re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:29 pm to a want
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:29 pm to a want
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I'm simply saying that a cop could lie about "he went for his gun".
Right - would be expected (heck, almost necessary) if you just killed an unarmed subject. If a round was discharged inside the car and struck the floorboard, door panel, firewall, etc, that would bolster the credibility of the statement, right? As would Brown's fingerprints on the weapon.
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"He charged him". Again, subjective.
Correct - would literally just be the cop's word, if not corroborated by other evidence.
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"His face was broken" on the other hand....there's no way to lie about that.
Again - certainly those injuries didn't occur after Michael Brown was dead, right?
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I'm saying I'm confident Wilson's face was fractured b/c it's difficult to lie about that....unless you're a complete idiot.
Completely agree.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 5:30 pm
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Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:36 pm to fleaux
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So what youre saying is evidence won't matter to you ......
No, it matters. I am pretty even keeled when it comes to evidence. I have changed my opinion many of times based on new information.
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This is what i dont get, im a white conservative but if the facts show the cop was at fault and there was a cover up on top of that, i will be the first one calling for the people involved to pay...... Why isn't it like that on both sides?
I think both sides have their entrenched views on the issue.
If you read my post history, i think its quite possible the proximate cause for the shooting was justifiable. Equally probable, was the officer likely mishandled the interaction, causing it to be escalated. But if michael brown attacked the officer, and was threatening him, the shooting was probably justified.
The thing is I do not trust the ferguson PD to tell us the truth on the matter. They have already mishandled this, and proven to themselves to be at best attempting to mislead the public.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:42 pm to Hawkeye95
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I think both sides have their entrenched views on the issue.
What sides?
The "put the cop in jail, damn the evidence" side and the "let's see what the facts are and then decide" side?
What other sides are there? These are the only two I'm aware of and only one of them is composed of complete, lawless assholes.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:44 pm to Scoop
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The "put the cop in jail, damn the evidence" side and the "let's see what the facts are and then decide" side?
no, the glad we got rid of a thug side.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:04 pm to Sevendust912
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Sevendust912
Bookmarked.
We'll see who was closer to the truth.
If I were you, I'd abandon the story that suggested he was shot from behind....and that's about all the evidence you have.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:10 pm to Hawkeye95
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I think both sides have their entrenched views on the issue.
Can you provide 1 instance of truth from the victim's side of the story?
I'm not "sold" on anything, but the only thing that makes any sense at all ...or has any factual basis to it so far is the cop's story. There is NOTHING that suggests the victim is a victim of anything other than his own stupidity. There is NO evidence of any sort of foul play except for the word of his friend who a.) co-participated in a God damn robbery minutes before his death and b.) whose story has been proven to be bullshite based on the autopsy.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:13 pm to a want
In the cell phone video that shows Wilson on the scene after the shooting, he didn't look to me like someone who had an eye socket fracture. I wish there were more clear footage available.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:14 pm to a want
well, isn't that something...
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:22 pm to UGATiger26
quote:BINGO!
Well, we should take it with a grain of salt until facts can be confirmed
Agree 100%.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:24 pm to a want
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Can you provide 1 instance of truth from the victim's side of the story?
This is the problem with cop shootings. the other party is dead.
I was referring to supporters of the cause, liberals, conservatives, racists, blacks, etc. Some have a view that XYZ happened, without looking at the evidence.
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I'm not "sold" on anything, but the only thing that makes any sense at all
Me neither. If I were to guess, the officer handled the initial interaction poorly, it escalated, they got into a scuffle and MB was killed.
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There is NO evidence of any sort of foul play except for the word of his friend who a.) co-participated in a God damn robbery minutes before his death and b.) whose story has been proven to be bullshite based on the autopsy.
During the independent autopsy one of the experts said that some of the shots to MB could have been made with his back turned.
LINK
that is some evidence.
The thing is, I just do not trust the police in general. And I don't trust the Ferguson PD. The timing of the release of the robbery video and the selective editing of the video makes me thinks they are trying to spin things.
But the police story sounds quite feasible, certainly more feasible than what Darrian said. But we have almost zero evidence from the police side, other than a few stories and comments.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:27 pm to Hawkeye95
Holder gonna be mad
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:33 pm to LSUgusto
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In the cell phone video that shows Wilson on the scene after the shooting, he didn't look to me like someone who had an eye socket fracture. I wish there were more clear footage available.
you ever seen someone with an eye socket fracture?
they don't exactly scream "oh my God his eye socket is broken!!!"
especially not too long after the fracture. the next morning is another story.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:35 pm to LSUgusto
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In the cell phone video that shows Wilson on the scene after the shooting, he didn't look to me like someone who had an eye socket fracture. I wish there were more clear footage available.
What does someone with a facial fracture look like? If a bone fracture could be diagnosed by just looking at the person we would not need X-Rays.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:37 pm to Hawkeye95
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that is some evidence.
That is conjecture. Evidence is "bullet entered this location and exited that location."
The title of your link is "Private Autopsy Can't Say."
Seriously, what the frick ..
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:40 pm to LSUgusto
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In the cell phone video that shows Wilson on the scene after the shooting, he didn't look to me like someone who had an eye socket fracture
How does someone with periorbital facial fractures look on cell phone video IYO?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:41 pm to John McClane
My wife and I got in to a spirited debate last night. She insisted cops are trained to shoot for the legs to drop someone and this he was shooting to kill since all of his gunshot wounds were high.
A 300lb guy rushing me who just whipped my arse and tried to take my gun - yeah. I'm gonna do whatever it takes to drop his arse.
Of course I'm making a lot of assumptions based on yet to be proven facts.
Regarding Browns deciision to rush a cop with a weapon drawn, I repeated the frequently used TD phrase, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
I didn't get any last night.
A 300lb guy rushing me who just whipped my arse and tried to take my gun - yeah. I'm gonna do whatever it takes to drop his arse.
Of course I'm making a lot of assumptions based on yet to be proven facts.
Regarding Browns deciision to rush a cop with a weapon drawn, I repeated the frequently used TD phrase, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
I didn't get any last night.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:43 pm to UGATiger26
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but that sure as hell makes a lot more sense than a police officer opening fire on someone in broad daylight with eyewitnesses present for no reason other than walking in the middle of the street.
You silly a-hole. You neglected to mention that the victim of the shooting was black.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:47 pm to BobBoucher
quote:if that's what happened, completely agree.
Regarding Browns deciision to rush a cop with a weapon drawn, I repeated the frequently used TD phrase, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
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I didn't get any last night.
that's what happens when we open our mouths sometimes
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:48 pm to DeathValley85
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NOPE
#Justice4Brown
Where is the justice for every other young black man killed in the United States within the past two weeks? Gunned down in their neighborhoods as well? Just as innocent as Michael Brown?
*crickets*
You don't want justice for Michael Brown and you do not care about those other men either. Just a hypocrite.
ETA: If you are being sarcastic then my apologies. If not, I stand by what I said.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:00 pm to fleaux
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Why isn't it like that on both sides?
I am a liberal but have always doubted the story as originally reported. I am also an old guy who still respects most police officers and tends to take their side initially until evidence proves otherwise My first reaction to the report about fractured eye socket was "How will they be able to prove it wasn't inflicted after the killing, because that will certainly be the position of the protesters." The biggest issue exposed by these kinds of incidents is how litle trust there is in police around the country.
BTW, I experienced the riots in DC in 1968 first hand...leaders need to get control of the current situation before things boil over...the underlying issues have not changed all that much.
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