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re: Missle that hit Poland was fired by Ukraine
Posted on 11/16/22 at 8:55 am to ninthward
Posted on 11/16/22 at 8:55 am to ninthward
Some here have offered the perspective that such events as this are US and Ukraine coordinating in a corrupt manner to extend or escalate the war thereby providing the rationale for additional money for the war effort. That pretty much crumbles when you see how NATO allies behaved, i.e. had a suspicion that Russia was at fault, coordinated their investigation, found out their suspicions were incorrect, announced that to the world, did not escalate to a broader regional conflict with Russia.
All parties involved appear to be more interested in Russia fricking off back home than escalating the war. Maybe they will take the hint at some point, withdraw their invading forces, and then, with less missiles flying, maybe we won’t see accidents from errant air defense missiles.
All parties involved appear to be more interested in Russia fricking off back home than escalating the war. Maybe they will take the hint at some point, withdraw their invading forces, and then, with less missiles flying, maybe we won’t see accidents from errant air defense missiles.
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:06 am to AggieHank86
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Are you arguing that damage done by those busted up pieces is not ultimately the responsibility of the party who fired the offensive missile?
If a cop is chasing down a criminal and runs over 2 innocent people, is he responsible for those 2 deaths? Yes, he is. If he wasn't, there wouldn't be cities that have banned high speed chases.
If someone tries to take out a robber and kills 2 innocent bystanders, the shooter is responsible.
Anytime you use a weapon, you are responsible for the damage.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:08 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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If a cop is chasing down a criminal and runs over 2 innocent people, is he responsible for those 2 deaths?
What? Can show any examples where a police officer is held accountable, as in civilly or criminally prosecuted, for the death of bystanders during a high speed pursuit.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:08 am to HVAU
War is hell, shite happens.
I get a kick out of dudes arguing about war atrocities. All war is an atrocity.
Blaming one side for evil shite in wartime is definitely not focused on the reality of war.
I get a kick out of dudes arguing about war atrocities. All war is an atrocity.
Blaming one side for evil shite in wartime is definitely not focused on the reality of war.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:10 am to ReauxlTide222
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Can you see the why the media being wrong af is a massive issue and something you should be skeptical about in all shapes and form?
Article on MSN home page yesterday led with headlines "Russian missile kills two in NATO member Poland."
That's the kind of shite these rubes believe. This article is trying to inflame tensions to support a NATO led war.
THe warmongers are simple people. They love their feel good propaganda.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
I agree with most of your statement. But, in a general sense, invading nations should receive the lion’s share of blame compared to the ones that are defending their homeland.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:13 am to HVAU
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invading nations should receive the lion’s share of blame
I think 90% would agree. However few realize that we have been involved there for years and are not innocent.
They also fail to realize blaming Russia for a Ukranian missile going astray is just retarded. Trying to inflame passions because of it is fricking evil.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:15 am to auggie
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Poland should go frick their Moms and sisters.
I mean they probably already are. It's nothing but dudes left in Ukraine, all the womenz are in Poland
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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That's the kind of shite these rubes believe. This article is trying to inflame tensions to support a NATO led war.
How long did it take for NATO to investigate and correct?
What the other rubes believe is that Ukraine is a Nazi-Satanist cabal which needs cleansing by the benevolent actions of Vladimir Putin.
Both sets of rubes are wrong, but one set of propaganda is rooted in facts as understood at the time of print (and I do believe the media in general prints too early, but it’s more the cause of bias, scooping and sensationalizing than a propaganda motive). The other propaganda is rooted a bullshite fantasy, and most of those that peddle the worst of it know it’s lies.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:19 am to HVAU
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What the other rubes believe is that Ukraine is a Nazi-Satanist cabal which needs cleansing by the benevolent actions of Vladimir Putin.
Never said that Chief.
What I have said is this is NATO vs Russian, and has been since at least 2014.
I don't care if a Ukrainian missile hit Poland, its war. Stop the drama. Some of us are beyond the lying in this war and the propaganda.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 9:21 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They also fail to realize blaming Russia for a Ukranian missile going astray is just retarded. Trying to inflame passions because of it is fricking evil.
Here's my question. If this was a missile fired at an incoming missile and missed, where did the Russian missile hit? No damage, no casualties? Makes me think Ukraine fired a couple of anti-aircraft missiles into Poland, just for the frick of it to escalate it so NATO jumps in.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:20 am to hawgfaninc
apparently Ukraine is immune to blame and responsibility and nothing is ever their fault.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:21 am to Boodis Man
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apparently Nato Proxy Ukraine is immune to blame and responsibility and nothing is ever their fault.
That's why.
Its NATO vs Russian
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:it does not sound like this is what happened.
They also fail to realize blaming Russia for a Ukranian missile going astray is just retarded. Trying to inflame passions because of it is fricking evil.
It sounds like a Russian offensive missile was aimed at a Ukrainian target, and that missile was destroyed by a Ukrainian defensive counter battery, with the destroyed pieces of both scattering across a wide area (including Poland).
A Russian missile launched from anywhere between Kursk and Rostov and aimed at L’viv or Luts’k could easily have landed near Przewodow if hit by a counter missile.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:25 am to AggieHank86
quote:Well the non thinkers read headlines like that and run with it.
it does not sound like this is what happened.
I don't see any angst against the propaganda. "Misinformation" really isn't hated, its loved. I guess when we push Proxy wars propaganda is allowed and cannot be questioned.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:26 am to Lg
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Here's my question. If this was a missile fired at an incoming missile and missed, where did the Russian missile hit? No damage, no casualties? Makes me think Ukraine fired a couple of anti-aircraft missiles into Poland, just for the frick of it to escalate it so NATO jumps in.
I don’t recall the exact number, and I will try to find it, but on the day in question Russia launched something like 70 missiles, and approximately 10 struck their targets. The others were successfully intercepted.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:30 am to oklahogjr
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Poland wouldn't have shot missiles trying to defend themselves if they weren't facing an actual invasion....not a faux Texas border style one....
0 outta 10 troll.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:33 am to SuperflyLSU
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I mean they probably already are. It's nothing but dudes left in Ukraine, all the womenz are in Poland
American incels could get laid pretty easily by volunteering to fight.
THere's a lot of great looking, low maintenance women in Eastern Europe.
American women are far too spoiled.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 9:34 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:33 am to hawgfaninc
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Missle that hit Poland was fired by Ukraine
And, as I predicted would happen when it would eventually be confirmed that the missiles originated from Ukrainian forces, this story will now disappear faster than a Georgia Republican's election lead at 3am in Fulton County.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Never said that Chief. What I have said is this is NATO vs Russian, and has been since at least 2014. I don't care if a Ukrainian missile hit Poland, its war. Stop the drama. Some of us are beyond the lying in this war and the propaganda.
I haven’t lied or been dramatic about the war hoss.
I agree that this is a NATO v. Russia conflict that has been brewing for a while. 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea wasn’t the first altercation. I happen to be on the NATO side, and believe that left unchecked Russia would invade as many neighbors as it believes could manage. It’s been seen in Georgia, Chechnya, Transnistria and now Ukraine.
I would like to see this war end ASAP, but it’s not going to happen until either Russia withdraws or Ukraine acquiesces. I prefer the former to be the result.
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