re: Mississippi wins right to enforce religious exemptions law

They wouldn't bake a cake for a couple having premarital sex either.

Bad comparison.

Gay isn't the issue. Tolerance isn't the issue. Rights aren't the issue. Being forced to celebrate it is the problem

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I just find the blatant hypocrisy amusing.

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How's it hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is insincere virtue to win the approval of man.

The bakers/florists/photographers are generally Protestant. Accepting divorce but not SSM is consistent with their belief system. They also receive more scorn than praise for taking that position.

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holy frick.

youre actually delusional enough to think that this definition of marriage comes from Christians (and you must because you say im borrowing mine from them)?

once again, not only does marriage pre-date Christianity by thousands of years, and not only was it well established throughout Asia where Christianity wouldn't even reach for a longer period than that, but the model of marriage you're describing was also firmly entrenched in the Roman world where Jesus was born.

it was already the norm. Mary and Joseph were married. the christians adopted the existing definition, they didnt create their own. they get no credit for marriage in any way.

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So, it's your assertion that divorce and polygamy never existed?

Talk about delusional.

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If one murders in the name of X, is X always responsible for that murder?

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Only if X is "them". For example, communism isn't responsible for the 100 million + murders perpetrated by communist governments. Progs aren't responsible for the Scalise and Gifford's shootings. Only groups you hate are collectively responsible. It's how bigots roll.

"Or an atheist even. If an atheist opened up a restaurant and hang a sign up that read "No Christians will be served here" fine by me. "


Exactly. I believe someone should be able to put up a sign that reads......

"Best watermelon and fried chicken in the world!"
No Blacks Allowed

Let the market decide if the business succeeds or fails.

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seriously?

1. evolution says we all evolved from common ancestors. meaning we're all essentially the same. its the opposite of one race being inferior to another.

2. hitler believed in the aryan master race, that they were descendants of proto-aryans, who date back as far as 10,000 years ago.

this, again, is the opposite of evolution. he thought they were the superior race from the dawn of mankind.

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Yes, seriously. Hitler's ideas are in line with darwinian evolution that establishes that in nature, the strong (fit) survive and the weak (unfit) die to make way for the continual progress and advancement of the survivors. Whatever else he believed, he was influenced by this thinking. Even the concept of the "master race" is something based in evolutionary thinking where humans have no value outside of a particularly bred or evolved group that are seen as more fit than the others.

Hitler said the following as an example of how his mind worked: “Thus there results the subjection of a number of people under the will, often of only a few persons, a subjection based simply upon the right of the stronger, a right which, as we see in Nature, can be regarded as the sole conceivable right, because it is founded on reason.”

Even if you reject everything I said and are sticking to his strange ideology, you've provided an example of someone who is responsible for millions of deaths without "religion" to blame. If so, thank you for proving my point.

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im mostly just judging Islam and Christianity. Buddhism is actually pretty great.

but did those examples i gave seem like peace and goodness to you? or evil psychopaths?

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You said all religion needs to be wiped out because it is evil. I'm glad you are backtracking a bit but surely you can see that "religion" generally cannot be purely evil if even you can come up with examples of where it isn't.

Your examples were definitely examples of evil people acting in their own interests to one degree or another, or were persuaded by lies. Either way, my point still stands that those evil people acted on evil beliefs that taught that murder was not only acceptable but good. Christianity doesn't teach that.

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only part that matters here is "murder in the name of Christ". what youre describing here is evil that only happens because of religion.

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You think that murder only happens in the name of religion? "Naive" was too kind a word to use for you earlier, then. "militantly ignorant" or "brainwashed" may be better.

I noticed you ignored my comment about Communism, because it's a fact that millions have been killed in the name of the greater good of Communism by men who sought to impose that ideology on their people. That's just one example of people murdering in the name of something other than religion. How about murder in the name of love? That happens all the time, such as when jealous lovers kill a rival. Murder in the name of money or power? Yeah, all the time, though love nor money nor power are evil in themselves.

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you go ahead and give me some examples of people killing in the name of charity or nature that match the massive numbers of people that i can list who kill for religion.

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I think you missed my point, or you are making a straw man to beat down. Murder is evil, regardless of how many people are killed. To answer my rhetorical question (since you didn't), no, science, charity, and nature are not evil just because someone kills in their names. Likewise, Christianity, Islam, or any other religion is not evil because someone kills in their names. To determine whether or not a religion is evil, you have to examine what it teaches, not what someone does in its name (which was my point), because anyone can do anything for any reason that is inconsistent with whatever it is they are claiming to abide by.

As an aside, by what standard do you judge something as "evil"? If you hate religion, I assume you are an atheist who holds to evolution theory, naturalism, and materialism. If so, you have no objective basis whatsoever to judge anything or anyone. Your moral code is nothing more than a preference because it cannot be anything more than that.

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youre just naming good things and trying to equate them with religion, even though what youre saying is based on absolutely nothing.

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What I was doing was naming other things that people have killed in the name of or could kill in the name of to show you the absurdity of your argument that religion is evil because people have killed in its name. People have also saved lives in its name, but that doesn't matter to you because you hate religion and you won't be persuaded.

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holy frick.

youre actually delusional enough to think that this definition of marriage comes from Christians (and you must because you say im borrowing mine from them)?

once again, not only does marriage pre-date Christianity by thousands of years, and not only was it well established throughout Asia where Christianity wouldn't even reach for a longer period than that, but the model of marriage you're describing was also firmly entrenched in the Roman world where Jesus was born.

it was already the norm. Mary and Joseph were married. the christians adopted the existing definition, they didnt create their own. they get no credit for marriage in any way.

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You again have ignored what I have said. Christianity teaches that there are things that were ordained much earlier than the beginning of the religion, itself. I'm not arguing that monogamist marriage between one man and one woman originated prior to the formal founding of Christianity. I have said as much by my statement that Christians believe marriage was instituted by God with the first people. That predates all religions and civilizations, including Rome, Babylon, and Ugarit.

I'm not saying that view of marriage began with Christianity. I believe that that view of marriage started at the beginning of mankind and that that belief is a tenant of Christianity.

I don't care what you do. I saw bullshite, and I called it out.

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I don't care what you do. I saw bullshite, and I called it out

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Whatever man. You can't see the truth with those lenses and I won't argue with you about that any more. If others want to, I'm more than happy to engage them.

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Whatever man. You can't see the truth with those lenses and I won't argue with you about that any more. If others want to, I'm more than happy to engage them.

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OK. I don't need you to argue with me to call your bullshite.