re: Mississippi wins right to enforce religious exemptions law

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nothing of value

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Every time I see you make that point, I'll call it out for the bullshite it is. That's all the value I require.

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Christianity teaches that there are things that were ordained much earlier than the beginning of the religion, itself ... Christians believe marriage was instituted by God with the first people. That predates all religions and civilizations...

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so you created religion, because you say you created religion?

thats how things work?

theres no evidence you did, and a mountain of evidence that you didnt, but you still say you did anyway, based on the fact that you say you did.

you honestly expect people to play along with this bullshite? you cant step back for a moment and see how dumb that is?

what if i teach that i own your house? and i really really believe that. i can feel it in my heart. does that mean i can sell your house?

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so you created religion, because you say you created religion?

thats how things work?

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Not quite. Christians didn't invent it. It is a belief that was carried over from Judaism. The tradition was given to Moses who passed it down.

Reject the Christian belief all you want but the point is that Christian's don't believe the concept of marriage as we've understood it for the past several thousand years began in 30-100 AD with the writings of the New Testament.

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no one here is pro-Hitler and pro-Stalin, ok? no one is on the other side of this, im not sure why you keep bringing them up.

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You said you would ban religion if you could because it is responsible for so many deaths, as if religion is the cause of murder and not humans. My point was that humans kill and kill for any reason imaginable. They kill in the name of all sorts of things, and you can't arbitrarily condemn religion when religion, as a concept, is no more or less responsible for murder than any other idea a human may have. Therefore, banning religion would be pointless and futile.

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hitler and stalin = bad.

equating religion with hitler and stalin is not a great defense. it was bad when they killed millions, its bad when religion kills millions.

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I'm sorry if you don't yet understand the point of analogies. The point I was making (as I just described) was that anyone can kill for any reason whatsoever, and many have done so in causes that were not religious in nature, meaning your desire to ban religion because of people killing in its name is pointless and futile.

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very obviously religion is not the ONLY cause of murder in the world, i never claimed it was, but its a major cause, and one we can do without.

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We should do away with money, then. We should do away with social status, then. We should do away with love and relationships, then. You are singling out religion when millions of people are killed for reasons that stem from the human mind, religiously-motivated or not. You are arbitrarily picking on religion when the real culprit is humanity. That's the point I'm ultimately trying to make.

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no matter what religion you are, most of the world not only thinks youre wrong, but absurd. that feeling you get when you see this...

is the same thing a billion hindus feel when they think about your religion. that its ridiculous and obviously not the "real" god.

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That's why Christian missions exist. The rest of the world needs to hear the gospel so that they don't perish in their sins.

Truth is not determined by consensus or majority opinion. That's true for what I believe as well as what you and everyone else believes. Something is either true or it is not.

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King Solomon didn't have 700 wives and 300 prostitutes for nothing!

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King David (a man after God's own heart) committed adultery and murder. The Bible is filled with examples of why we should emulate God/Jesus and not other people. All men are sinful.

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Truth is not determined by consensus or majority opinion. That's true for what I believe as well as what you and everyone else believes. Something is either true or it is not.

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yes. on this we agree completely. and theres not a single fact of any kind on any level that god is real, that the story is "true". you have folklore and personal feelings, and literally nothing else. every scrap of proof you can give about jesus being the son of god, i can give about thor.

If it's the only pharmacy in town then there is a bigger issue

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because marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years

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some people believe this but they are oversimplifying the issue, such as the dating for hammurabi or akkadian writings. a document being later does not necessarily mean it borrowed from an earlier one.

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if anyone can give an explanation for why "marriage is the union of one man and one woman"

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where do you think the idea comes from? and before you start with some evolutionary nonsense, marriage is counterintuitive in a purely naturalistic paradigm. the concept is confounding to evolutionary biologists. consequently, marriage must have had a metaphysical origin. i think you know where that is going.

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it's just a piece of paper allowing you bigot fricks to be openly discriminatory and take steps back from progress

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this is a ridiculous characterization. abstaining from conducting business with someone is not social/systemic discrimination. forcing someone to treat others as lesser is social/systemic discrimination. the latter is absolutely NOT "progress."

look at it this way, a gay couple who wants a service from a christian baker does not HAVE to FORCE them to conduct business with them in order for there to be equality or justice. all they have to do is get SOMEONE ELSE to perform the same service. can't find someone? START YOUR OWN GAY FRIENDLY BUSINESS. their rights weren't trampled on in any way, shape or form.

making someone sit at the back of the bus or drink from a certain fountain or enter at the back of the building, those are discriminatory practices.

the former paragraph is a passive situation. the latter is active. HUGE HUGE difference. the christian baker/florist/pastor is NOT ACTIVELY discriminating. they are passively abstaining. it's a basic human right. you know, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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you think thats what this is about? you think that gay people want to get married in a place that calls them an abomination?

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are you kidding? this is being tested ALL THE TIME by gays. i personally know a pastor in the area near me who has seen multiple gay people canvass the churches in the area finding out their "gay wedding" policies. care to guess why? it starts with an "l" and ends in "awsuit."