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re: Military members to “quit” if faced with mandatory vaccinations
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:30 pm to TBoy
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:30 pm to TBoy
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If the right wingers make it a point to ignore or resist routine orders and health policies, they aren’t fit for military service.
Which branch did you serve in?
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:40 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Secondly the US Constitution and the UCMJ supersedes this document.
I think I'm a bit more familiar with the UCMJ than you considering I've had to enforce it as a commander. In my 20+ years of service I have NEVER been required to take a vaccine that doesn't have FDA approval. That includes the moratorium on anthrax vaccines that occurred when I first commissioned.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:42 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
There is not a good way to "quit" the military.
The vaccine thing is already a soft mandatory. You can't take leave without first being vaccinated.
The vaccine thing is already a soft mandatory. You can't take leave without first being vaccinated.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:45 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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You can't take leave without first being vaccinated.
Unfortunately that is legal as commanders can set conditions by which leave is approved.
The exception though is PCS and ETS leave. I doubt any commander has the authority to tell someone departing the service or moving they can't take leave based on something like a non-FDA approved vaccine.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:46 pm to jimmy the leg
You know how you can tell I’ve actually served - because I don’t want to see some self serving congressman interjecting himself into the military command.
This is one of those cultural issues that cause conservative to betray themselves because in this moment they happen to agree with the intervention.
But nobody, and I mean nobody, who has served in the military or views the world through conservative lenses should welcome some jackass congressman from Kentucky or wherever deciding they know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force. Nor should they welcome rank and file soldiers rejecting those decisions.
Just stop for a minute and think about where this train ends if we welcome this type of political meddling in basic military decision making processes.
This is one of those cultural issues that cause conservative to betray themselves because in this moment they happen to agree with the intervention.
But nobody, and I mean nobody, who has served in the military or views the world through conservative lenses should welcome some jackass congressman from Kentucky or wherever deciding they know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force. Nor should they welcome rank and file soldiers rejecting those decisions.
Just stop for a minute and think about where this train ends if we welcome this type of political meddling in basic military decision making processes.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:48 pm to Trevaylin
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All military personnel should be covid vaccinated
You're crazy...
Their body, their choice
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:50 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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. I doubt any commander has the authority to tell someone departing the service or moving they can't take leave based on something like a non-FDA approved vaccine
Denying leave is an explanation to the 1-star...if they carry U/L leave over the FY...
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:51 pm to ned nederlander
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You know how you can tell I’ve actually served
Clearly not by your understanding of what a "conscientious objector" is.
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But nobody, and I mean nobody, who has served in the military or views the world through conservative lenses should welcome some jackass congressman from Kentucky or wherever deciding they know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force
There are a lot of military brass who haven't the slightest clue on how to maintain a combat ready force.
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Nor should they welcome rank and file soldiers rejecting those decisions.
This happens all the time, or do you not understand the concept of the "strategic corporal"?
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Just stop for a minute and think about where this train ends if we welcome this type of political meddling in basic military decision making processes.
This has been happening since Vietnam.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:52 pm to Trevaylin
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Military personnel are subject to be located in remote locations that require immunizations
Those are vaccines that have decades’ worth of data to show they’re safe, not experimental drugs that have been out for six months.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:53 pm to ned nederlander
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But nobody, and I mean nobody, who has served in the military or views the world through conservative lenses should welcome some jackass congressman from Kentucky or wherever deciding they know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force. Nor should they welcome rank and file soldiers rejecting those decisions
Not true. We have civilian leadership for that exact reason.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:56 pm to ned nederlander
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But nobody, and I mean nobody, who has served in the military or views the world through conservative lenses should welcome some jackass congressman from Kentucky or wherever deciding they know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force.
I served, and I disagree 100%.
If the bullshite General CRT was running doesn’t illustrate that the military brass couldn’t give two shits about military readiness, then I don’t know what does.
I mean, if the military brass decided to inject our service members with a gallon of bleach (here is looking at you Celtic dog), and someone from Congress intervened, I would be thankful.
You do you though. As a veteran that is also conservative, I’m thankful that you don’t speak for me.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:58 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Military personnel are subject to be located in remote locations that require immunizations
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Those are vaccines that have decades’ worth of data to show they’re safe, not experimental drugs that have been out for six months.
This. As a result, I have had any number of
FDA approved
inoculations during active duty.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:00 pm to TBoy
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TBoy
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Which branch did you serve in?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:09 pm to IceTiger
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Denying leave is an explanation to the 1-star...if they carry U/L leave over the FY...
This used to be a HUGE issue, S1 would keep a running tally of all soldiers and their projected leave balances. I was informed 6 months out if any of my soldiers would be in the 'use or lose' column.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:09 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
quote:Mandatory vaccinations are neither new, nor out-of-line for the military. Hopefully, if they do "quit", they'll receive an Honorable Discharge, but a GD is more likely. That would be a shame.
Military members to “quit” if faced with mandatory vaccinations
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:15 pm to dakarx
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This used to be a HUGE issue, S1 would keep a running tally of all soldiers and their projected leave balances. I was informed 6 months out if any of my soldiers would be in the 'use or lose' column.
USE/LOSE is anything that would put you over 60 days if not taken at the end of the next fiscal year.
Example: You have 45 days of leave as of September 30th. That means you have 15 days you must take over the next fiscal year or you lose them altogether.
During "the surge", that number was increased to 75 and any leave accumulated downrange was exempt.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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Mandatory vaccinations are neither new, nor out-of-line for the military.
They are if the vaccination is not FDA approved or if the vaccination is under review pending legal action. Even the Feres Doctrine can't protect them from that.
Example: From 1997-2002 there was a moratorium on the Anthrax vaccine.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:24 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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You can't take leave without first being vaccinated.
bullshite.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:30 pm to ned nederlander
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You know how you can tell I’ve actually served -
You did what, the bare minimum of your MSO and got out? So what.
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know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force.
The same brass that's pushed bullshite extremism stand-down training and wholeheartedly accept social experimentation? You think that brass has a clue on what it means to maintain combat readiness? You are a fricking joke kid.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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Mandatory vaccinations are neither new, nor out-of-line for the military.
Which non-FDA approved vaccines were used in the past?
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