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re: Mexican border jumpers say they'll climb over whatever Trump builds

Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:30 pm to
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170714 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:30 pm to
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Illegals cost to taxpayers is north of 110b every year.

This is one of those myths often repeated by Trumpkins that simply isn't true

Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:31 pm to
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Walls help, they're not a cure-all. Understand?


No one said they were..you're backpeddling....but lets use your position.
How much would you guess the wall and it's proposed support systems would help? Ballpark percentage.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46228 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:33 pm to
Its not true, because you say it's not?

The wall won't work, because you say it won't

Who the frick are You?
(Besides the only upvote on all of your posts)
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170714 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:33 pm to
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It's oddly like trying to point out whats wrong with abortion to the "true believer" abortion advocates, or 2nd amendment rights to gun grabbers. You're wasting your time. Logic and objective and observable reality don't matter, it's all in their heads.
Weird.


Translation: "Everything I believe in is correct and if you don't agree with me you're dumb"
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:35 pm to
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Says the guy that thinks a fricking wall will keep illegals out of the country.


Thats nice. You still have provided nothing to back up your claims. "It just won't work. Period!" is not a very well thought out position to hang your credibility on. Don't you agree??
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138153 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:36 pm to
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No one said they were..you're backpeddling....but lets use your position.

I literally said this on the first page

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I'm not saying it won't help, I'm just saying a wall itself isn't a bulletproof deterrent.


Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62745 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:36 pm to
Put some land mines along the border and watch them turn in to Mexican Jumping Beans.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297291 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:37 pm to
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So... you believe that you...in a well fed and fit condition... couldn't make the climb, but if you were weakened by hunger and desperation, you could??? How does that work?


The Wall will cut down sheer numbers. Most illegals move back and forth over the border

However it will also create dangerous and complex smuggling operations on both sides of the border.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30965 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:38 pm to
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So you're proposing that we grub and grade the whole first half mile north of the border?


I was thinking a 200 yard swath might be enough.With tall poles with cameras trained on and over the wall,that would help patrols be in the right place at the right time.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:40 pm to
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Including plane tickets


Sooo...nothing...nothing. Plane tickets.
How many would use that method, knowing they have to have ID and possibly be questioned? Private planes...sure. Still have to file a flight plan and landing place. Some could use that effectively.
What percentage of the millions here used that method...ballpark?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138153 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:40 pm to
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I was thinking a 200 yard swath might be enough.With tall poles with cameras trained on and over the wall,that would help patrols be in the right place at the right time.


While not 200 yds wide, we pretty much already have this setup in places that do have a wall in place. I just don't think most of you understand the vast spaces that need to be covered at any one time.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:42 pm to
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If you build a wall you have to build a road first,because you will have to bring in people,materials and machinery.
Once the road is built,patrolling becomes infinitely easier and more effective.
It also makes it possible to use Ground penetrating radar to locate tunnels and shite.
You find a tunnel, you drill into it and fill it with concrete,or cobras,or nerve gas,whatever.



Exactly...but I'm afraid you're wasting your time using facts and reality. "The power of bullshjt compels them...the power of bullshjt compels them."

Sad.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46282 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:43 pm to
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Until they get hit with 220v at the top


A new complement to LivePD is LiveICE
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297291 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:43 pm to
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What percentage of the millions here used that method...ballpark?


LINK

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The majority of immigrants settling in the U.S. without authorization are first coming to the country legally, raising questions about the effectiveness of President Donald Trump's plan to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border.

Crossing the border is not the way "the large majority of persons now become undocumented," the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) said in a recent report. Two-thirds of those who joined the undocumented population did so by entering with a valid visa and then overstaying their period of admission, the center reported.


This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 6:47 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:43 pm to
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Including plane tickets


That has got to be a joke.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:45 pm to
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Illegals generally don't stick to roads.


So what? They still bump into the wall.

Youz guyz must be getting exhausted, cuz daaaamn.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170714 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:48 pm to
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That has got to be a joke.

Could you tell by the laughing guy?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:49 pm to
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Explain.




This:


quote:

I'm just saying a wall itself isn't a bulletproof deterrent.


Was never claimed by anyone.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138153 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:49 pm to
You should cut your glue-eating back to one bottle a day.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297291 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:50 pm to
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So what? They still bump into the wall.


Most illegals don't just cross the border, they come here on visa.

The Wall is unnecessary and certainly not worth the expense
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