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Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:16 pm to Rebel
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but defending a cop killer isn't a good look.
I'm not even doing that, actually. He didn't make a decision or create a policy regarding his bail.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:18 pm to MemphisGuy
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And also, to my knowledge, none of them were charged with armed automobile theft and possession of an automatic weapon.
So only these 2 offenses deserve to be denied bail? You're qualifying your argument hard here.
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They were charged with interfering with a governmental proceeding, right?
Some were. Some were charged with effectively trespassing. Some were charged with crimes of violence. Some were charged with conspiracy to commit serious crimes (not your average J6ers, these are the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys)
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:18 pm to MemphisGuy
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Given that this thread is specifically about a Memphis police officer murdered by a criminal released on no cash bail, and NOT about the January 6th protestors... I fail to see the need to entertain your other hypotheticals.
When backed into a corner, I understand this take.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So an accused defendant accused of multiple felonies in at least 3 jurisdictions should be denied bail, right?
I can think of at least one who was arrested and booked in Georgia that had to post bail or bond of $200,000.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So an accused defendant accused of multiple felonies in at least 3 jurisdictions should be denied bail, right?
I never said "denied" bail. All felonies aren't equal. Was the person accused of multiple felonies of the violent nature? Was he in possession of an illegal fully automatic weapon? Did he pose of risk of causing harm or loss of life to citizens of law enforcement?
Do you want me to ask Kige what medicine he takes? You need help.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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When backed into a corner
Is that what you think has happened here?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:24 pm to MemphisGuy
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I can think of at least one who was arrested and booked in Georgia that had to post bail or bond of $200,000.
for a phone call.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:27 pm to MemphisGuy
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Is that what you think has happened here?
Yes. You had to try to create a straw man where I "approved" of a murder, and then you refused to answer a simple question directly related to the topic at hand.
The strawman to avoidance pipeline is usually white flag territory
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:28 pm to Rebel
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for a phone call.
If we're talking Trump, it was a lot more than that, per the warrant
If we're in the business of prejudging a case and assuming guilt based off allegations in a warrant alone, Trump is quadruple fricked (NY, FL, DC, and GA).
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You had to try to create a straw man where I "approved" of a murder, and then you refused to answer a simple question directly related to the topic at hand.
I THINK what you mean is that it was pointed out that you tacitly approved of murder by your vigorous defense of the very policy that made the murder possible (you were) and then YOU pulled in Trump and the J6 issues in an effort to create a "gotcha" moment by comparing two very dissimilar events and outcomes. That's what I THINK you meant.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If we're talking Trump, it was a lot more than that, per the warrant
If we're in the business of prejudging a case and assuming guilt based off allegations in a warrant alone, Trump is quadruple fricked (NY, FL, DC, and GA).
See.... there you go again. This thread is specifically about an armed car thief with an illegal automatic weapon being freed with NO cash bail and then proceeding to murder a policeman. NOT about Trump... Jan 6th or any other issue. Do try to stick to the issue at hand. I know it's hard for you when you are so thoroughly and completely wrong about the actual issue at hand.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The strawman to avoidance pipeline is usually white flag territory
you bring up a "strawman" while also bringing up J6ers that were denied bail and President Trump that has had to pay bails or post bonds of close to 200 million.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:35 pm to MemphisGuy
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t it was pointed out that you tacitly approved of murder
I don't and have never argued as much
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by your vigorous defense of the very policy that made the murder possible
That's an incredibly stupid leap of logic.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:37 pm to MemphisGuy
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This thread is specifically about an armed car thief with an illegal automatic weapon being freed with NO cash bail and then proceeding to murder a policeman. NOT about Trump... Jan 6th or any other issue.
This is about policy and our view of (1) Constitutional rights and (2) the Police State
All 3 are examples of both policies in play.
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Do try to stick to the issue at hand. I
I am. 2 of them. Constitutional rights and the Police State. Those are the issues at hand.
Sometimes in a free society, you have to deal with negative externalities. That's why the phrase "those that would give up their liberty for security deserve neither" exists. This exact scenario.
Emotional thinking and overreaction is how you give up rights, for a sense of feeling secure.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:37 pm to Rebel
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and President Trump that has had to pay bails or post bonds of close to 200 million.
I'm not talking about civil/administrative actions after a trial. That isn't comparable in any way to pre-trial criminal determinations/policies.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
so no bail for machine guns.
but extra bail for a man exercising his right to appeal?
gotcha.
but extra bail for a man exercising his right to appeal?
gotcha.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:41 pm to Rebel
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so no bail for machine guns.
but extra bail for a man exercising his right to appeal?
Criminal bail and appeals bonds are 2 completely different things.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
ok. so lets forget the NY trail.
no bail for machine guns.
200K bail for a phone call.
no bail for machine guns.
200K bail for a phone call.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:46 pm to Rebel
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no bail for machine guns.
200K bail for a phone call.
a. Trump is accused of a lot more than "a phone call"
b. Just a single RICO charge alone is more than the gun charge in GA, i believe. And Trump is accused of 13 felonies, not 2.
LINK
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These are the maximum sentences Trump potentially faces for each count of his alleged crimes in Georgia:
1 count of violating Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act — 20 years
3 counts for soliciting a public officer to violate their oath — 3 years
1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer — 2.5 years
2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree — 7.5 years
2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements and writings — 2.5 years
1 count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents — 5 years
1 count of filing false documents —10 years
2 counts for false statements and writings — 5 years
Note: I don't think Trump should have been given bail but he's being given a lot of leeway in other ways like leaving the various states, as well.
The issue is people rallied against the entire process and claimed the minimal restrictions imposed were unfair. They're not applying the same rhetorical vigor to guys like the accused in OP.
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