re: Memphis Family Struggling to Overcome Poverty

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I certainly agree that she doesn't have a moral claim on your (or my) money, but I would be more willing to help her out (voluntarily) than some other examples we are exposed to.

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This.

I have no problem whatsoever doing what I can for somebody who's at least willing to make the fricking effort.

It's the ones sitting on their asses and prioritizing the free cash toward luxuries that I have a problem with.

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God's plan for you is not to your liking?

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God's plan is for the government to take the money I work hard for and redistribute it to those who won't?

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We have it tough

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I wonder how tough you really have it.

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I'd be much happier paying taxes in Sweden or Norway or Denmark where people look like me, think like me, have my culture more or less, have my work ethic and interests.

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Then by all means, take your dumb arse over there.

This is why UN Agenda 21 is vital. Agenda 21 Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions is directed toward combating poverty, especially in developing countries, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, achieving a more sustainable population, and sustainable settlement in decision making.

Our inner-cities may not be developing countries, but they consist of underdeveloped cultures with the same irresponsible reproductive and consumption habits.

I still can't understand why fiscal and social conservatives fear sustainability and rational environmental policies which aim to reduce the dependency problem on a global scale. If people cannot find the personal responsibility to live within their means, then it's going to require IGO intervention to address these concerns.

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I'd be much happier paying taxes in Sweden or Norway or Denmark where people look like me, think like me, have my culture more or less, have my work ethic and interests.

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Well, what are you waiting for?

Yea the $7 kids thing is bad. But it seems as if she is putting forth the effort so that she nor will her kids be welfare recipients in the near future. Its not ideal, but I'd rather have my money going to her because it seems like it will be temporary as opposed to some life long welfare recipients.

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I'd rather have my money going to her because it seems like it will be temporary as opposed to some life long welfare recipients

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Which was the original intent of the program. It was supposed to be a temporary safety net, not a hammock. Unfortunately, in many cases, that is exactly what it has become.

Do you even read?

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Compassionate conservatives seem to be in short supply around here.

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I most likely felt like shite for this woman after the first two. The last five have convinced me she's the perfect candidate for sterilization for further benefits.

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This is why the welfare state in theory is not a bad idea. The system doesn't always work out for good, honest, responsible people.

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This lady had 7 kids with no means of support. That's NOT a result of "the system". That's a result of her own actions.

I'm NOT saying she isn't a good, honest, (and now) responsible person, though. She appears to be. And likely deserves the charity of others.

But that's the problem with the "welfare state". It not only gives to those that are good, honest, and responsible--it gives to those that are lazy, dishonest, and irresponsible. "The state" cannot discern nor discriminate between the deserving and non-deserving.

Thus, the "welfare state" will always be ineffecient and ineffective in it's distribution of money. Like anything--we should apply our capital where it will be USEFUL.

This family would likely take anything given to them and turn it into an economically beneficial outcome. They are a good investment. But they will get the same investment from "the state" as their neighbor with 22" Rimz on his Caddy and only occasionally works to stay current on his benefits.

It's HORRIBLY unfair to families like this that the state regards them them the same as the leeches. I'd go so far as to label it cruel. But that's the heavy hand of government compared to the finessed and deft hand of private individuals for ya.