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re: Memo to all Christians who are struggling with the decision to vote for Trump
Posted on 10/19/24 at 12:26 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 10/19/24 at 12:26 pm to RobbBobb
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predestination is clearly taught in the Bible
Whenever Foo tells you that something is "clearly taught in the Bible" you can rest assured that he's talking about a Calvinistic TULIP doctrine that was never a part of Christendom for the first Fifteen Centuries of Christendom.
You go, Foo. Keep preaching on this here Religion Board. Maybe one day your particular sect of Presbyterianism will actually have a church somewhere in Louisiana that we could visit. Until then, I guess we'll have to endure your use of Political Talk to serve as your personal pulpit that you relentlessly misuse to Preach to us about John Calvin.
I personally don't understand why the mods allow you to misuse Political Talk to serve as your personal preaching pulpit, but, that's their call.
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Posted on 10/19/24 at 12:32 pm to Champagne
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I personally don't understand why the mods allow you to misuse Political Talk to serve as your personal preaching pulpit, but, that's their call.
I like it because it lets me mock all believers and participate in atheistic evangelism. If I can get just one person to understand the folly and faults of their false reality, then it is worthwhile.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 12:57 pm to Champagne
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Nobody should follow "Calvinism".
I'm not a Calvinist but it's not a lazy form of Christianity. I rarely read everything foo writes but it seems like he's a reformed Baptist.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 1:28 pm to Squirrelmeister
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atheistic evangelism
Look, if the mods around here allow Foo to use Political Talk as his personal pulpit to preach the tenets of his tiny Presbyterian sect, then Free Speech demands that you be allowed to preach Atheistic Evangelicalism here on PT and should allow you also to use PT as your personal Religion Board.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 2:15 pm to Squirrelmeister
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I like it because it lets me mock all believers and participate in atheistic evangelism. If I can get just one person to understand the folly and faults of their false reality, then it is worthwhile.
This is just sad. Imagine someone who feels the need to mock people's beliefs. The atheists I know don't feel the need to mock something they don't believe in.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 2:37 pm to Champagne
quote:
Look, if the mods around here allow Foo to use Political Talk as his personal pulpit to preach the tenets of his tiny Presbyterian sect, then Free Speech demands that you be allowed to preach Atheistic Evangelicalism here on PT and should allow you also to use PT as your personal Religion Board.
I bet you and I would get along well in real life.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 2:41 pm to Bass Tiger
If you are Christian and struggling with who to vote for, you may need to find a church that isn’t self righteous.
This election is good vs evil and if you can’t discern that idk what to tell you.
Trump is fighting for GOOD
This election is good vs evil and if you can’t discern that idk what to tell you.
Trump is fighting for GOOD
Posted on 10/19/24 at 3:58 pm to Bass Tiger
Great post!!
Posted on 10/19/24 at 5:21 pm to Perfect Circle
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This is just sad. Imagine someone who feels the need to mock people's beliefs.
Sounds like a lot of Christians who accuse atheists of believing in their god but rejecting their god, telling us we are going to burn in hell for all eternity.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:36 am to RobbBobb
quote:Who was convincing people that they were saved from birth? It wasn’t Calvin. The Reformed (biblical) view of salvation is that God’s people are chosen before the foundation of the world but salvation is applied in time as those individuals are given the grace of saving faith. Calvin didn’t teach that saving faith was automatically given to all elect people at birth.
Well, you might want to step outside your indoctrination and read up on what actually happens when you convince people that they are saved from birth.
quote:Calvin didn’t teach that the law doesn’t matter once you are saved. He taught that the law was useful in several ways and that Christians were still required to keep the moral law of God, just not to merit salvation but to be obedient to our savior who wants us to be holy as He is holy.
Once you know you are chosen to be saved, no laws apply, Right?
What you are describing is called antinomianism (nomas is the Greek word for law, so the word means against the law or no law). Calvin was not antinomian and neither am I.
quote:Where did I say I’m above other sinners?
You just admitted you are a terrible sinner. Yet in the same post also claim you are above other sinners (Trump, and me it now appears)
quote:He was furious because the leaders of Israel were leading the people astray by creating laws that went beyond the law God gave while at the same time refusing to obey what God provided in the law. If you would like to show me where I’m doing this, I’d be grateful.
I thought I pretty much explained to you Christs feelings on that. Its one of the few (if not only) times that he was furious with men
quote:Jesus taught us the way to salvation; it is through faith in Him alone. Are you saying that ignorance of salvation or being unsure is a good thing? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding you.
He specifically called out those that had the "path to salvation" all figured out, ya know the hypocrites.
quote:Of course, but I think you are misapplying His words.
Woe unto you hypocrites, were his words, not mine.
quote:Where have I refused entry into the kingdom by manmade rules? I am not the judge of Trump’s soul and I have said that very thing. I can only judge based on fruits, and only as far as I can satisfy my conscience for the sake of voting. God can save Trump at any time if He has not done so already. That’s His prerogative, but because I don’t know the secret things of God, I can only go off of what is revealed and public. So far, Trump’s words and actions reveal an unrepentant man who does not honor Jesus Christ as Lord even if he makes a profession of faith as a Christian.
More from him: "YOU do not enter the kingdom of Heaven, nor do you allow others (Trump) to enter." He then very clearly defined that the hypocrites punishment will be worse than "the others" that are being refused entry into the Kingdom of Heaven by manmade rules
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:42 am to FooManChoo
What's up with all blasphemous Calvinists on here
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:52 am to Champagne
quote:I don’t know how this topic was started but you are wrong as usual, speaking falsely about things you don’t understand but have heard misrepresented by your Roman teachers.
Nobody should follow "Calvinism". It's a heresy invented by John Calvin, and it was unknown and heresy in all of Christendom for over Fifteen Centuries after Christ walked the Earth.
MANY learned Protestant scholars have studied the question and concluded that Calvinism was invented over 1,500 years after Christ walked the Earth.
The whole system of Calvinistic "TULIP" is invented by a man or men more than one thousand five hundred years after Christ founded his Church on Earth and told all men to follow that Church.
First of all, TULIP—Called the five points of Calvinism—was not created by Calvin but was created as a direct response to the Remonstrants, the followers of Jacob Arminius, which posited 5 points related to salvation. Reformed Christians who believed the biblical view of salvation argued against the points and the result was TULIP.
Second, “Calvinism” is not heretical except in the minds of Papists. It is a biblical, monergistic framework for understanding salvation that gives God all glory and man none. You argue for a system of salvation that allows man to share in glory for his own salvation.
Third, Calvin didn’t invent this biblical model but the Reformers understood what God had always taught from the Scriptures about how He saves. Augustine in particular was heavily influential on the Reformers in this regard.
The “doctrines of grace” are fully supported through an abundance of scriptural evidence.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:00 am to FooManChoo
Calvinism denies man’s free will to obey or disobey God, which is the basis of man’s responsibility and accountability, as taught by the Bible.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:02 am to Champagne
quote:Perhaps you should spend a little bit of time learning what these things are before you respond in ignorance
Whenever Foo tells you that something is "clearly taught in the Bible" you can rest assured that he's talking about a Calvinistic TULIP doctrine that was never a part of Christendom for the first Fifteen Centuries of Christendom.
quote:There are plenty of Reformed and Presbyterian churches you can visit that are closely aligned with my denomination if you are interested. Let me know whereabouts you live and I’ll tell you where you can go visit.
You go, Foo. Keep preaching on this here Religion Board. Maybe one day your particular sect of Presbyterianism will actually have a church somewhere in Louisiana that we could visit. Until then, I guess we'll have to endure your use of Political Talk to serve as your personal pulpit that you relentlessly misuse to Preach to us about John Calvin.
Also, how many times to I preach about Calvin? I don’t mention anything about the man outside of my responses to your obsession about him. I post a lot here. Perhaps you can provide 3-5 examples of me talking about John Calvin on my own, apart from responding to people like you.
quote:I give commentary to current events and political issues the same as everyone else. I just do it from a Christian perspective. Perhaps you aren’t committed to a Christian worldview.
I personally don't understand why the mods allow you to misuse Political Talk to serve as your personal preaching pulpit, but, that's their call.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:06 am to FooManChoo
Calvinism denies that Christ died for everyone
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:07 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:Calvinism correctly states that man is dead in his sins and must be born again by the Holy Spirit before he can receive the benefits of Christs saving work through the gift of faith. This does not deny the responsibility and accountability of all men to believe; it denies the ability of all men to believe in their own strength.
Calvinism denies man’s free will to obey or disobey God, which is the basis of man’s responsibility and accountability, as taught by the Bible.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:07 am to FooManChoo
Calvinism denies that each individual is responsible and accountable for their own sins committed in their own life, and will not be damned for the sins of anyone else, as the Bible teaches
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:09 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:Not quite. It denies that Jesus died effectually to save everyone. It affirms that Jesus’ death is the basis for all common grace the Father bestows on all humans.
Calvinism denies that Christ died for everyone
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:12 am to FooManChoo
I have nothing more to say other than that protestantism is a slap in the face of Christ and that I hope you find salvation through either Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:13 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:So far you haven’t stated anything correctly about Calvinism.
Calvinism denies that each individual is responsible and accountable for their own sins committed in their own life, and will not be damned for the sins of anyone else, as the Bible teaches
It teaches that each person has the curse of original sin, which is the guilt of Adam and the fallen nature his sin provides. It also teaches that each person commits actual sins that each person is guilty of and responsible for.
Imputation of Adam’s guilt is the foundation of imputation of Jesus’ righteousness.
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