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re: Maybe the government is soft on crime because it wants excuses to restrict your freedoms

Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:37 am to
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
63446 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:37 am to
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Also, we haven’t declared war since 1942, you know that


I am using the same language as the POTUS and CIC, but your semantics concern is noted.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39345 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:48 am to
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I am using the same language as the POTUS and CIC, but your semantics concern is noted.


It’s okay, admit you had no clue we declared war in 1942

$100 says you can’t name the countries without looking it up either
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
63446 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:49 am to
I’m admitting that there is a war in Iran whether Constitutional protocols were honored or ignored.

You are once again failing at a poorly setup gotcha.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39345 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:51 am to
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If you say so. My life has been more negatively impacted by trumpflation than illegal immigration.


Sure it has, especially in New Orleans which has a pretty substantial illegal population.

Cost of goods goes up, cost of rent goes up, available spots in schools goes down. Just because you scored a cheap maid out of it doesn’t mean you haven’t been negatively affected.

You just choose to overlook the negatives in favor of emotions about “helping” others. You are the frog in the pot.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39345 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:53 am to
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I’m admitting that there is a war in Iran whether Constitutional protocols were honored or ignored.


The lack of declaration of war says there isn’t a war.

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You are once again failing at a poorly setup gotcha.

I find your ignorance amusing. It’s amusing that you thought I had a typo and you thought I meant to say 1942, so you looked it up. Realized I was right, and are now sitting here flailing.


It’s okay that you had no idea we declared war in 1942 and it’s okay you can’t name the countries. Just like it’s okay that you think Trayvon martin was shot by police and are still a true believer that Sandra bland committed suicide.

Logic has no place in arguments with you.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
63446 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:55 am to
Unnoticeable effects of illegal immigration are more detrimental than widespread economic strain? Understood.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
63446 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:57 am to
You’re trying to play a trivia game while I’m having an adult discussion.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39345 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:57 am to
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Unnoticeable effects of illegal immigration are more detrimental than widespread economic strain? Understood.


The economic strain on our poor that are morbidly obese, have their nails and hair done weekly, have brand new iPhones, internet, eat out weekly, and their pantry has more food and drinks than mine does?


That economic strain? Where the poorest among us live like kings?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39345 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:58 am to
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You’re trying to play a trivia game while I’m having an adult discussion.



Awweee that’s one way of admitting you had no clue we declared war in 1942
Posted by Sams Crow
Idaho
Member since Apr 2026
850 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:01 am to
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Also, crime is going down without these extreme deterrents.

Going down might be good for you, but crime levels are still far too high.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39345 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:05 am to
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Going down might be good for you, but crime levels are still far too high.


Also a plethora of minor crime just flat out doesn’t get reported anymore. Then police will simply code things in a lesser way to affect the statistics.

Several years ago when I had some lovely north Baton Rouge section 8 hoodrat attempt to break into my place in the middle of the night, it took BRPD over 2 hours to respond when I live in the middle of downtown. When the rat finally did show up, he simply coded it as “vandalism” instead of what it actually was, an attempted breaking and entering robbery.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483794 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:06 am to
quote:

Going down might be good for you,

It's actually bad for me, but that's a separate discussion

I don't base my politics or principles specifically on what benefits me economically if it's due to bad policy/principles.

quote:

but crime levels are still far too high.

But they're going down and have been doing this for 30-ish years outside of a brief 18-month (or so) spike following Covid.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
15320 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:07 am to
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Our society / government could punish criminals in ways that would serve as real deterrents.


Doubtful.

In colonial days they didn't even have prisons. If you were convicted of any felony, you were hanged. If you were convicted of a misdemeanor, you were fined and were tarred and feathered, put in the stocks, etc. immediately.

Usually the time between your arrest and sentence being carried out was less than a week. All punishments were public.

And the murder rate per capita was six times what it is now.

The likelihood of being caught is what deters crime. Not harsh punishments. It's been studied and the findings correlate with real life observations.

And before someone brings up El Salvador, I would argue that you're not seeing as much of a deterrent effect there as you are that they simply locked up almost all the criminals.

Great, you say.

Yeah, but in order to do that they had to become a police state (which ostensibly you'd be against based on the title of the thread) that ignores due process and has locked up a lot of innocent people along with the criminals.

Anybody who advocates for that kind of society shouldn't be worried about flock cameras. The freedoms and civil rights abuses there are a hell of a lot worse than Flock cameras.
Posted by dickkellog
little rock
Member since Dec 2024
3561 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:09 am to
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If you say so. My life has been more negatively impacted by trumpflation than illegal immigration.


if this amount of inflation is adversely effecting you, then you have a "you" problem, not a "we" problem. how did make it through the biden administration you must have gotten covid money.

maybe you should have chosen a more lucrative career.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32833 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:03 am to
How many cities are voluntarily reporting their data for those reports?

You might wanna check on that...
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32833 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:05 am to
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The government is not soft on crime. Quite the opposite. We have the largest prison system in the world and have created systemic monetary incentives to continue to increase prisoner counts.


80% of charges get dropped.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
483794 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:06 am to
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How many cities are voluntarily reporting their data for those reports?

You might wanna check on that...

We have data for all the cities. It all supports my argument.

You might want to check on that and understand what's going on.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32833 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:06 am to
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Like starting a war to cause global economic instability?


Or forced shuttering fuel refineries in California?

Or Ukraine targeting Russian diesel refineries?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32833 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:07 am to
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If you say so. My life has been more negatively impacted by trumpflation than illegal immigration.

Well, it is all about you isn't it?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32833 posts
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:09 am to
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