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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:18 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:18 am to
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NC, you PROVED my point... TC did NOT say he. "hated them more than anyone".

It was a quote from memory. He ACTUALLY said "I dislike them more than anybody."

If you object to the interposition of the word "hate" for "dislike," so be it.
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:19 am to
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Such as? I didn’t watch that interview- what’s a controversial view that Tucker agreed with?

I didn't watch the whole thing, but the clip of Fuentes saying he's "a fan" of Stalin is controversial to say the least.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:20 am to
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cajunangelle


NC is not correct... even your Grok points it out.

Hate is not dislike... when you start altering and embellishing quotes to make a point, you lose the plot.

Even IF any of y'all wanted to argue TC's ACTUAL WORDS... you still need to understand the context.

You'd also have to accept the absolute, incontrovertible FACT that TC pushed back on anti-Jew stuff MANY times in that 2hr interview.

Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:21 am to
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And that's been my major concern since I started paying any attention to this issue at all. I didnt care about Israel. I support Israel defending itself and hated the attacks against their civilians, it was horrible.

Why are they freaking out about this so radically? People with clean records don't respond the way that lobby does when asked questions that are asked of literally every other interest group in American politics.



Exactly.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:22 am to
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Tucker does not agree with Israel or Jew hate


He didn't agree with Fuentes in the video linked to above about hating people who support Israel?

I'm beginning to think that you are the one unfamiliar with Huckster and his tactics.

Look, I understand that he claims to not hate Jews. That's his MO. That's why I'm thinking you're the one who hasn't seen much of his act.

Because if you can't see that having guests like Nick Fuentes—and not just Fuentes, but a parade of idiots spouting Anti-Semitic tabloid conspiracy theories—on his show and treating them like legitimate guests with reasonable things to say is exactly how he communicates his own feelings on the matter, I don't know what to tell you.

The reason he does it is obvious. He gives someone like Fuentes a platform to say things he doesn't have the guts to say himself and then stands there all doe-eyed and says, "Who, me? I didn't say that, that over there guy did."

I'd have more respect for him if he just had the guts to own it and say it himself.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:22 am to
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It was a quote from memory.


Whose memory? Your's or whatever you read or listened to that gave biased commentary?
Posted by Jimbeaux
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:23 am to
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But according to AIPAC 150 US congressional reps have visited Israel in the last 24 months. Why do 150 reps need to visit a country the size of NJ when almost none of them are Jewish? What the hell is going on?


A, it’s the Holy Land. Who wouldn’t want a free trip to the Holy Land?

B, they got this war going on over there. Maybe you heard of it? And lots of acrimony over jaded news coverage, and lots of of money being spent to solve the problem. Maybe a visit to see what the heck is happening with your own eyes might make a little sense.

C, It’s in AIPAC’s own best interest to emphasize/exaggerate Congressional support. The rest of the world agrees with you, the jew haters, so they do what they can to press their advantage.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:24 am to
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Read the transcript or watch the interview.


I did watch the interview.

My posts are my own.

Now what, a-hole?
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 9:25 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:26 am to
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NC is correct.
Nah.
Tucker only said he "dislikes" them more than anybody.

If one assumes, as apparently the respondent does, that Tucker has no hate for any person on the planet, then one can argue that "dislike them more than anybody," does not necessarily constitute hate.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:26 am to
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I didn't watch the whole thing, but the clip of Fuentes saying he's "a fan" of Stalin is controversial to say the least.


What's that have to do with Tucker?

Also... are you **certain** that is *exactly* what even NF had to say? I've got the transcript ready... already ctrl+F it for ""stalin"...
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:27 am to
Originally I recall it was "hate." if I had to swear by it. When Tucker walked it back, maybe it was edited?

But who cares, really. Hate, dislike? NC had a salient point originally, when this happened as a red flag for himself regarding Tucker's intentions of this subject.



Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:29 am to
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He didn't agree with Fuentes in the video linked to above about hating people who support Israel?


No, he didn't.

Again- I read the entirety of the transcript, just this morning, still have it pulled up. I can do this all day.

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Look, I understand that he claims to not hate Jews. That's his MO.


You're a reader of minds and hearts? You want me to take YOUR word on what TC really feels... do you know him personally? I don't. I can only take him at his word.

Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:29 am to
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The problem is not Tucker's choice to interview Fuentes, or anyone else. The problem is his choice not only to refuse to challenge their controversial views, but to agree with them.

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This is the correct answer.

Did you listen to the interview?

Examples of him doing exactly that:

1. Challenging the Link Between Jewish Identity and Neoconservatism/Israel Support
"Well, this is just BLM, the new version. This is identity politics. They're engaging in identity politics... But the problem in your response is it does not apply to every individual... I think it's important to say that, not to dodge the accusations against you... we have to love them all, and we have to recognize that—We're required to... God created every person as an individual, not as a group. No woman gave birth to a community. We hate that thinking, right? Collectivist thinking like that. That's identity politics."
Outcome: No full resolution; Fuentes partially agrees on judging individuals but insists on the ethnic motivations as a "reality." They align on ~80% of policy proposals (e.g., registering AIPAC under FARA, banning dual citizenship).


2. Questioning Ethnic Prioritization of Israel Over U.S. Interests
"I would say specifically as it pertains to... I don't understand... I am much more comfortable as a Christian and an American keeping it on that level because it's easy to just set universal rules that apply to everyone... Why not make every statement about how Americans ought to behave applicable to all Americans? It's the defense of universal values that will hold the country together and the emphasis on parochial group values that will break it apart inevitably."
Outcome: Fuentes concedes guilt isn't inherited genetically and universal rules are ideal, but maintains Jewish identity as a "unique challenge." Carlson reiterates individual focus; partial policy agreement persists.

3. Rejecting Collective Blame for Jewish Influence on Israel Policy
"But I guess the disagreement is, you say identity politics like it's a bad thing. I think identity is a reality... But I also think there is a true... spiritual reality that we have to defend, which is God created every person as an individual... our faith, the decisions that we make... God will judge every one of us in that way, and that's how we're supposed to judge... there are people who just strongly disagree... If everything is inherited, then there's no hope for the continuation of America."
Outcome: Fuentes concedes no genetic guilt but sees explicit call-outs as necessary; Carlson stresses reassurance of no harm intended. They agree on addressing influences without collective blame, but debate framing continues.

4. Disbelief in Women Being "Extremely Feminist"
"I don't believe that, do they? [...] How could you believe that?"
Outcome: No resolution; Carlson challenges the generalization, but Fuentes reaffirms, leading to further discussion on gender roles.

Really, just listen to the interview. He pushes back a ton.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:31 am to
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Whose memory? Your's or whatever you read or listened to that gave biased commentary?
My memory ...
... from the TC clip I embeded
....... showing TC saying what I told you he said, albeit substituting the word "hate" for "dislike" MORE THAN ANYBODY.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:33 am to
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When Tucker walked it back, maybe it was edited?


Nope.

That is what they call confirmation bias if I'm not mistaken.

I posted the transcript... which COULD be edited... but the video, also posted, is not. Feel free to locate any "unedited" media of this interview that speaks to "hate".

quote:

But who cares, really. Hate, dislike?


Truth cares. Misquoting people in a way to make something they've said seem worse is a terrible thing- and no one should be doing that AND claiming to be taking the high road.

Fine people on both sides, amirite?


Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:34 am to
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I did watch the interview.


And your mind automatically edited content... I wonder what other parts you are misremembering in order to confirm your bias?

Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23080 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:36 am to
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A, it’s the Holy Land. Who wouldn’t want a free trip to the Holy Land?

If I get invited on a free trip to Hawaii its because they're trying to sell me something. They arent getting invited to the holy land to try to convert them to judiasm, its obviously an attempt to sway them at a minimum to support Israeli issues.

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B, they got this war going on over there. Maybe you heard of it? And lots of acrimony over jaded news coverage, and lots of of money being spent to solve the problem. Maybe a visit to see what the heck is happening with your own eyes might make a little sense.

You think they're taking congressmen to show them the civilian areas that are being bombed out or how children are living in the war zones? No.

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C, It’s in AIPAC’s own best interest to emphasize/exaggerate Congressional support. .

Those trips are documented on AIPACs website, are you suggesting they didn't happen?

No nation outside of Ukraine has had more congressional visits than Israel.

Not the UK, not Mexico and not China.

They arent a major trading partner so its a very valid and reasonable question to ask why they're all flying over there and why AIPAC doesn't have to register with FARA like every single other lobbying group working on behalf of a foreign government does.

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The rest of the world agrees with you, the jew haters, so they do what they can to press their advantage

Please either provide an example of me "hating" on Jews or retract the statement.

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:36 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:39 am to


I would swear he said hate.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:40 am to
Angelle... that NF clip you posted... where is Tucker in it?

Is he in it?
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